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Old 09-25-2000, 06:04 PM   Postid: 39610
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Disturbing about Joker.com ?

Following said by ZMAN at another forum:
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I registered two domain names through Joker.com and the credit card I used to register the domains blocked me! They said they will not enable my credit card until I send them a copy of my State ID, SSN, & a Utilty bill. Okay, I have done all that already. I called them as well and they clearly told me that my credit card was blocked because of the Joker.com transaction.

This is very odd and it upsets me a lot. What's wrong with that company? Has anything like this happened to you? Eeehhhhh!!! I am NEVER using Joker.com again in my life.  - Ah! I try a new domain registrar company, and this is what happens.
Has this happenned to any of you? I always use my Visa (ZMan said he was using one too) at Joker with no problems. I am particularly worried that everyone could get particularly worried about something like this happening.

What is your take on this? Continue with Joker or switch to NameBargain maybe?

Hrmmm, me thinks because his CC company asked him to verify himself that he may have:
a) not entered the name on his card correctly?
b) given a different address or ZIP than what is registered w/ his card?
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c) maybe cc's are now blocking Joker or companies from outside the country?

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Old 09-25-2000, 06:11 PM   Postid: 39611
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I've registered about a half dozen names through Joker for myself, plus more for a few of my clients using their CC numbers, and have never heard of this.  Wonder if there's been other activity on his account that has made the company suspicious?

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Old 09-25-2000, 06:28 PM   Postid: 39612
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Since my name was mentioned...  I haven't had any problem paying by Visa with Joker.  However...  I did have a credit card receive fraudulent activity.  I have no way of knowing exactly where the numbers were lifted, but based on timing, I'm 99% certain that it happened through one of three online transactions, Joker being among the three...

Take that as far as your paranoia pleases.  

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Old 09-25-2000, 08:05 PM   Postid: 39613
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I've registered four domains now through Joker with a Visa check card, and had no problems... In fact, I went to pick up a DVD player at Radio Shack and had all sorts of problems with the same card (they screwed up the amount, voided it out, then suddenly my card was denied the second time... seems charges go through instantly, but chargebacks take 48 hours)... So I've had less problems using it online than "in person".

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Old 09-25-2000, 09:06 PM   Postid: 39614
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I have not had any problems with Joker myself.  

I now have nine domain names registered with them.  I am always pleasantly surprised as the price keeps dropping, last time being only about $10.70
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Old 09-25-2000, 11:25 PM   Postid: 39615
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Actions such as asking for additional proof of identity are rarely, if ever, the actions of the credit card association itself. This is almost always the action of the merchant, which in this case is Joker (or whatever their main company entity is).

However, it is very possible that their acquiring bank and/or the card association is now requiring them to take these steps. These actions are almost always in response to a high chargeback percentage (more than 1% is considered 'high').

A high chargeback rate is usually due to (1) carelessness in reviewing charges on a daily basis; (2) fraudulent charges that are not caught and voided due to (1); and/or (3) careless customer service resulting in customers requesting chargebacks because promissed products/services were not delivered.

Also note that a credit given to you by a merchant is *not* the same as a chargeback. A chargeback always results from the customer asking their issuing bank to initiate a chargeback.

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They said they will not enable my credit card until I send them a copy of my State ID, SSN, &amp; a Utilty bill.
Other than the copy of the State ID or driver's license, the SSN and Utility bill are rather unorthodox methods of collecting additional information from a card holder. The purpose for collecting this information is to help prove the card presenter is, in fact, the legal card holder. With this in mind, not only can collecting the SSN be illegal in some cases but does nothing to confirm identity. The Utility bill *might* help to confirm the address provided by the presenter but does nothing, in and of itself, to confirm if this is the correct address. The most useful pieces of information are (1) some form of photo ID that contains a signature, and (2) the name of the credit card issuing bank. With this information the merchant can contact the issuing bank and confirm address information and if necessary, compare signatures.
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Old 09-27-2000, 08:00 PM   Postid: 39616
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Dan: May I inquire as to which the other two retailers were? Playing on the paranoia of fellow mankind isn't funny.

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I am always pleasantly surprised as the price keeps dropping, last time being only about $10.70
Yeah Jeff, I'm sure your quite happy the Euro keeps dropping aren't ya?!?!? Huuuh? HuuH? Why don't you just dance on the Euro's grave!? Huh?

I'm glad that the card thing wasn't widespread. I might be switching to NameBargain now that I we will be guaranteed a $9.99 submission (after Sept. 30)... and I'm not profitting off from the Euro's illness.
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Old 09-27-2000, 08:17 PM   Postid: 39617
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Yeah Jeff, I'm sure your quite happy the Euro keeps dropping aren't ya?!?!? Huuuh? HuuH? Why don't you just dance on the Euro's grave!? Huh?
ROTFL

Well, I have to admit that I saw a story about this on the nightly news a few days ago, and I said &quot;wow - time to buy a couple more domain names&quot;


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Old 09-27-2000, 09:16 PM   Postid: 39618
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Dan: May I inquire as to which the other two retailers were? Playing on the paranoia of fellow mankind isn't funny.
Sure, you can inquire.  

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Old 09-28-2000, 11:57 AM   Postid: 39619
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Funny I knew you'd say that...

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