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Old 11-25-2008, 12:03 AM   Postid: 171582
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...I had no trepidation when voting for him.
It was not an intellectual decision, if we had only their resumes before us and couldn't take the measure of the two men while they were before us thinking on their feet, McCain would have won.

The strong desire for the more articulate and bright candidate is certainly a lingering effect of the embarrassment we have suffered with GWB for the last eight years.

If executive experience were the criterion guiding our decisions we'd have gone with Sarah Palin because she has more executive experience than all three others combined.

Bill Clinton was right Obama was a roll of the dice, we rolled and won.

It was a decision from the heart, not the head. Like I said, risk taking is in our DNA, we're Americans. We or our ancestors risked everything to come here. Yes, even that strong wandering stock that walked here from Asia 10,000 years ago--it's the same American risk taking heritage.

We shouldn't count our chickens before they hatch though, no matter how well Obama does we'll never know what "might have been..."

added in edit: There is an interesting argument to be made comparing the achievements of the descendents of slaves vs. African Americans who are not. e.g. Barak Obama and Colin Powell vs. Condoleezza Rice and Clarence Thomas. Some say that the slave lineage carries a resentment that cannot be shaken on the left, only on the political right. Certainly immigrants from the Carribean and Africa seem to follow a different path from those descended from slaves. Who may say that I have no right to even discuss such things, it's a black thing, I just can't understand. Well no, I'm sorry. It's an American thing and I don't just have a right to discuss this I have a duty and responsibility to try to understand it.
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Old 11-25-2008, 06:53 AM   Postid: 171585
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Hello Everybody! I wish the President elect the best also-but for selfish reasons... Our country needs his best. Read my opinion of the pre-election hype at http://marketrealitiestoday.com.
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Old 11-25-2008, 09:33 AM   Postid: 171587
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Hi Calvin. Your thoughtful essays are more than I bargained for with my posts, there are many points I'd like to address but I'll only address one here.

The failures that have occurred are partly the fault of those responsible for teaching history. Housing bubbles collapse with disastrous results often, this has been happening for a very long time. It happened in Southern California in 1990. The current crisis is the most massive that has ever occurred but it is a well worn and familiar pattern to anyone who takes the trouble to read the history of land speculation and speculative bubbles in general.

No one person or group of people engineered the crisis. Certainly many saw it occurring and allowed it to happen but most who were benefiting did not realize they were climbing out on a very dangerous limb.

Executives in the failed firms who made many millions over the past several years have strong ties to both political parties and will get away with their crimes with the possible exception of an unlucky scapegoat or two. Indeed they will not even be villified and in some cases will be called upon to perform heroic deeds to save us from our "plight." Which they knowingly caused. Trying to blame one person, party, or group is futile because so many were involved.

The accounting structures used to hide toxic assets before this crisis were very similar to those used in the Enron scandal so if you need to spill someone's blood (a metaphor) over this I suggest following the money. Where did it go?
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Old 11-25-2008, 01:49 PM   Postid: 171594
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The disagreement between tknterry and I continues. When I heard that Obama was considering Hillary for SS I thought that was the best decision the man could possibly make. She knows her international stuff and she won't take BS from any leader in any country. I think of her as a slightly rougher version of Condi Rice and more polished than Madeline Albright.

I'm not thrilled with his financial and economic picks and putting the idiot he already had to get rid of once in his cabinet because of questionable links on the Clinton pardons doesn't bode well for internal change.
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Old 11-26-2008, 03:36 AM   Postid: 171613
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Thank You Andilinks for your comments.
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Old 11-26-2008, 03:44 AM   Postid: 171614
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The disagreement between tknterry and I continues. When I heard that Obama was considering Hillary for SS I thought that was the best decision the man could possibly make. She knows her international stuff and she won't take BS from any leader in any country. I think of her as a slightly rougher version of Condi Rice and more polished than Madeline Albright.

I'm not thrilled with his financial and economic picks and putting the idiot he already had to get rid of once in his cabinet because of questionable links on the Clinton pardons doesn't bode well for internal change.
Huh?? What disagreement? I was simply expressing my opinion about his cabinet choices so far. It certainly was not aimed at anyone. Nothing I say ought to be taken personally by anyone.
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Old 11-26-2008, 10:00 AM   Postid: 171618
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Huh?? What disagreement? I was simply expressing my opinion about his cabinet choices so far. It certainly was not aimed at anyone. Nothing I say ought to be taken personally by anyone.
I wasn't taking anything personally, just noticed that we have diametrically opposed political ideologies. I observe many things but seldom comment on any. This one is just very funny. Kind of like if you say the sky is blue-purple, I'd probably say it was blue, red, and purple.

No offense is ever meant!
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Old 11-26-2008, 10:15 AM   Postid: 171621
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That's a bit extreme. Having observed posts from you both I'd say you may disagree on a number of things but I don't think you want to go to war against each other.
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Old 11-26-2008, 10:25 AM   Postid: 171622
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No not war or even battle on my side. I believe in fighting for the rights of our citzens (since I am one) as set forth in the constitution. But fighting to force my princeples or ideologies on another just isn't in my genetic make-up.

As Dorothy Sayers writes in one of her books: The first thing a prinicple does is kill someone.
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Old 11-26-2008, 12:04 PM   Postid: 171627
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As for myself, I believe in civil rights of all citizens also. Additionally, I am an ardent crusader in the struggle to be free from bad spelling.
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