Internally Redirected Domains [Archive]

skyliner

04-29-1999, 06:51 AM

Hi there,

Must be a basic question, but I can't quite get it myself.

What does Internally Redirected Domain (mentioned in FQ pricelists) mean:

If I have an yyy.com account with FQ, and obtain an IRD zzz.com which "points" to yyy.com/zzz, will users of zzz.com see "yyy.com/zzz/..." stuff in the browser url line once they come to the zzz.com site, or does IRD look exactly like a "normal" domain for the end user, and the differences are just technical details such as absence of cgi-bin etc.?

(I know some people using sitename.cjb.net style redirectors, where the users are simply transfered to some ugly url once they access the [relatively] nice sitename.cjb.net. For instance, try http://exchanges.cjb.net. That is the thing I _do not_ need :) ).

Thanks in advance,
Skyliner

[This message has been edited by skyliner (edited 04-29-99)]

Deb

04-29-1999, 07:10 AM

hehe no ... what you show above is more like what we would consider a standard Redirection....

IR (Internal Redirection) == zzz.com shows the same site as aaa.com but the URL does not change.[nbsp][nbsp]So unless you were to hardcode the links on the site ppl going to zzz.com see only zzz.com and people who go to aaa.com only see aaa.com neither really knowing the other exists.

IRM (Internal Redirection & Mapping) == zzz.com shows zzz.com but aaa.com shows zzz.com/aaa/ .. the /aaa/ directory works as the root directory for aaa.com -- as such the visitors can view aaa.com without ever knowing zzz.com exists...
[nbsp][nbsp] If requested -- you can also have the zzz.com's email addy's mapped under aaa.com too ..meaning if you have Owner@zzz.com and someone emails owner@aaa.com it will work:) (see edit in the threads below)

Sub-Domains == aaa.zzz.com actually uses the zzz.com/aaa/ directory as it's root.[nbsp][nbsp]So again, the visitor only needs to see aaa.zzz.com w/o being redirected to zzz.com/aaa/

Difficult to explain -- but all are pretty kewl feature :)

Deb

[This message has been edited by Deb (edited 07-05-99)]

skyliner

04-29-1999, 01:12 PM

Deb,

Thanks, you did a brilliant job in explaining - I think I got it right. Now I'm gonna start collecting domains :)

The last thing: does the $25 IR/IRM setup fee cover e-mail mapping setup as well, or do we need to pay extra?

And one on a different topic: I'll probably need to build a site with a national top level domain (.lt) in future. I will handle registration with national domain registration center myself, but I guess I will need to provide them with some DNS names or similar stuff. What's the usual practice of handling region specific domain registrations at FQ?

Thanks again,
Skyliner

Paul

04-29-1999, 01:19 PM

Now I'm gonna start collecting domains

Hehe..:)

Deb

04-29-1999, 03:26 PM

Paul -- BeHave! ;)

Skyliner... no it doesn't cost extra... it just has to be requested :)

You will find the information for our name servers and quite a few links for the International registeries by visiting http://www.FutureQuest.net/OtherDomain.php

Deb

dean

06-04-1999, 08:57 PM

Terra explained this to me once, but I forgot the answer :(

I have internally redirected domains, and have an e-mail question[nbsp][nbsp]so, lets say:

dean.net is the primary (or first domain set up)
dean.com was added as a redirected domain.

Is it possible to use an e-mail alias for dean.com ? By this I mean can I send confused@dean.com[nbsp][nbsp]confused@hotmail.com ?[nbsp][nbsp](or can I only do this with the .net domain ?)

Deb

06-04-1999, 09:02 PM

If you set up so&so@primary.com to be an alias and have it all forwarded to so&so@hotmail.com then so&so@redirect.com is also going to forward over to the hotmail account.

As long as you have the email set to be redirected as well.. then whatever you setup on the primary is going to be mimicked by the redirected domain.

Deb

dean

06-04-1999, 09:40 PM

Thank you, works great, I was stumped

Stephen

06-05-1999, 01:54 PM

Um. How does this work again?

My primary FQ account is randommouse.com and I have an e-mail alias of stephen@randommouse.com which forwards to my GTE mail account. I have an internally re-directed domain ninthday.com. If I understand you Deb, messages sent to stephen@ninthday.com should also end up forwarded to my GTE account.

Instead I get the following returned mail error:

Hi. This is the qmail-send program at taz.futurequest.net. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses.
This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out.

<stephen@ninthday.com>:
Sorry. Although I'm listed as a best-preference MX or A for that host, it isn't in my control/locals file, so I don't treat it as local. (#5.4.6)

Did I misunderstand something, or was I supposed to contact mail support to have my "control/locals" file modified?

Thanks,
Stephen

Deb

06-05-1999, 09:41 PM

--edit--
This is now setup automatically on any new redirections... you no longer need to request the ability for new accounts
--/edit--

If requested -- you can also have the zzz.com's email addy's mapped under aaa.com too ..meaning if you have Owner@zzz.com and someone emails owner@aaa.com it will work

Toss an email to support ;)

Deb
[This message has been edited by Deb (edited 07-05-99)]

Stephen

06-05-1999, 10:07 PM

Thanks Deb,

I missed that earlier statement. I'll send the appropriate request...

kteicher

06-08-1999, 11:30 AM

Wow, I think I got up too late this morning and the brain ain't working yet.....

Let's say I own original.com and it is hosted on FQ.[nbsp][nbsp]I register another.com but I don't have a full site for it yet.

When a user tries to access another.com can they be redirected to original.com/subdirectory but in their browser window it shows as just another.com rather then original.com/subdirectory?[nbsp][nbsp](I guess this means that original.com/subdirectory would be the root directory of another.com???)[nbsp][nbsp]And in this scenario would another.com be able us use original.com's cgi-bin, etc?[nbsp][nbsp]

And finally what would the cost be (regular and reseller).

Whew, confusing stuff.

Deb

06-08-1999, 11:38 AM

LOL -- These things are MUCH more difficult to explain then they are to use ;)

You've got it exactly right kteicher :) Yes, you can use the primary domain's cgi-bin for the secondary domain.

Cost -- From the list above...

IRM/IR/Sub-domains = One time setup fee of $25

For Resellers
IRM/Sub-Domains = One time setup fee of $15
IR = Free

Deb
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kteicher

06-08-1999, 08:24 PM

Deb, is there any downside to doing this.[nbsp][nbsp]If we have available disk and traffic on one account it would be more "cost effective" to do IRM/Sub-domain.[nbsp][nbsp]Is there any reason it would be preferable to just get another account?

Deb

06-08-1999, 11:57 PM

It really depends on the needs of the site itself.[nbsp][nbsp]The secondary domains would not have individual stats reporting how they are doing, nor their own cgi-bins, nor 'real' email accounts, or a personal CNC, or separate telnet logins, or FTP accounts (unless ordered).. but if each of these are owned and operated by the same person then it really doesn't seem to matter.

I do not work with the secondary domains myself.. I think those that are really using them could offer better feedback then I could.[nbsp][nbsp]For example: Hearts recently discovered that an SSI call asking for the server name (aka domain name) returns the primary domain name (since that is what it actually is on) and does not/will not return the secondary domain name.

As an aside... you would not (and we may not be able to allow) want to have more than 5 IRMs on a main account and no more than 15 IR (overlays).

<edit>
Another thought was that ezmlm would not run from a secondary...
</edit>

Deb
[This message has been edited by Deb (edited 06-09-99)]

LeafWind

06-09-1999, 11:56 AM

Okay, all this discussion has stirred up a question for me.[nbsp][nbsp]Mainly, if one was to get an IRM, and then once the new site was nearing completion I would get a full hosting package for it, would all hard-coded and relative links still work the same, or would they have to be changed?

ie. if I had www.Second.com (http://www.Second.com) mapped to www.First.com/Second/ (http://www.First.com/Second/),[nbsp][nbsp]and I had graphics for the mapped site in www.First.com/Second/graphics/ (http://www.First.com/Second/graphics/), could I call those graphics as "www.Second.com/graphics/whatever.gif" and/or as "/graphics/whatever.gif" (from the pages in the /Second/ directory)?

Second question: For "domain parking with bizcard" can we change the index page at all, or is it standard FQ format?[nbsp][nbsp]I suppose not, since the domain parking doesn't include FTP or telnet or anything else to change the page with, unless it could be mapped to a page in a preexisting directory, which is what the IRM is for . . . guess I'm answering my own question.

Just trying to understand these features fully (this thread has helped a lot). . .

Thanks!

Bekariso
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www.LeafWind.com (http://www.LeafWind.com)
Growing web sites that thrive in the winds of change.

tedloh

06-29-1999, 12:55 AM

OK - I've been reading through this thread, and I don't know if I am confused or just ignorant :)

1. I have the primary domain as tygresystems.com
2. I have an IRM as st-andrews.ac pointing to tygresystems.com/sa

Can I field ALL email to st-andrews.ac in a different mailbox other than my primary root (tedloh@tygresystems.com)?[nbsp][nbsp]Although I manage all the functions here, the mail must necessarily be redirected to another person to field all inquiries.

LOL.[nbsp][nbsp]Decided to try an edit.

Alternatively, can I run a mail daemon to sort all this out?
[This message has been edited by tedloh (edited 06-29-99)]

Terra

06-29-1999, 02:26 AM

LeafWind:

1) You are correct, as this is a dynamic 'Document_Root' shift that is progmatically determined during the processing of the URI...[nbsp][nbsp]In short: the answer is yes... ;)

2) The Parked pages are dynamically created within the server and do not rely on any HTML pages...[nbsp][nbsp]To give access to modifying Parked domains would require giving everyone access to our core Apache Parked config files...[nbsp][nbsp]Something that I won't be doing anytime soon... :D

tedloh:

The email is overlayed over the primary domain...
e.g.
acme.com <--primary
binford.com <--IRO or IRM

sales <--POP or Alias

sales@acme.com
sales@binford.com

are both one in the same...[nbsp][nbsp]Due to the nature of IRO and IRM, and the way the mail system is designed - this is the only efficient way to deliver mail properly...

If you must have separate email accounts for 2 or more domains, then they must be on a full package...

Hope this helps...

--
Terra
--Growing two trees with one drop of water--
FutureQuest

tedloh

06-29-1999, 07:12 AM

Thanks for the info, Terra.[nbsp][nbsp]I was rooting around some more in my quest for knowledge, and I came across this

http://www.aota.net/ubb/Forum5/HTML/000019.html

and at the bottom it says you are entitled to one alias, but doesn't specify where you may point that alias.

I presume that the alias is something like *@st-andrews.ac as a catch-all (excuse me if the format isn't correct since I still have some learning to do).[nbsp][nbsp]Since I have up to 5 POP3 accounts under my plan, could I *not* choose a different mailbox to point that alias to?

One of the reasons I'd like to do this you see above, but I've also noticed that we are getting mail we didn't ask for, presumably because someone truncated a country domain identifier off the email address (there is a st-andrews.ac.uk), so we are getting misdirected mail as well.[nbsp][nbsp]Once I can get this out of my mailbox and to the other person to handle, he can run his own sorting routing to sort out these inadvertent emails.

Alternatively, if not another daemon, can I possibly set a filter on Qmail that will allow me to route mails accordingly?

Be patient with me, I'll try not to bug you too much :) I know computers (build them for a living), and I program also, but not in Perl or any of the scripting languages.[nbsp][nbsp]SO I will get up to speed fast enough, I hope...

Ted

tedloh

06-29-1999, 07:30 AM

Whoops... must've clicked on the wrong link in my History... it sent the above message again :(

Might as well add a bit more...[nbsp][nbsp]Can I either edit the .qmail-default or add another .qmail file to my home directory to perform this sort?[nbsp][nbsp]Done a bit of reading up on Qmail since last post...
[This message has been edited by tedloh (edited 06-29-99)]

Deb

06-29-1999, 11:58 AM

and at the bottom it says you are entitled to one alias, but doesn't specify where you may point that alias.

One email alias is for externally redirected domains and not for internally redirected domains.

External = domain.com points to another domain *not* on our servers... as such they get one email alias.. name@domain.com forwards to someplace@else.com

Internal = domain.com points to a domain on our servers... in this case the email is also overlayed.[nbsp][nbsp]You use your current main account's email to create boxes for the second account.

Example:[nbsp][nbsp]create uk@yourdomain.com as a POP Account.
You can send and receive email now from either uk@yourdomain.com OR from uk@seconddomain.com either will work fine.

So if you want to create an alias or a POP account for the redirected domain (or more than one) you can do so via your CNC.. all the email you create will work for both.

Deb

tedloh

06-29-1999, 01:12 PM

:)[nbsp][nbsp]ROFL Deb

I've got Justin working on environmental variables in PHP, Terra (hopefully) looking at a way to update that neato mailing script...[nbsp][nbsp]I'd better shush now before anyone else complains... ;)

You guys are great![nbsp][nbsp]Sure accelerating my learning curve...[nbsp][nbsp]hopefully someone will come around later and benefit from all this - and I'll be sure to help out when I can.

Anyone need VB help? :0

Ted

Justin

06-29-1999, 02:22 PM

Anyone need VB help?
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!

Sorry - I've been a VB programmer long before I got into this "internet" thing :)

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Justin Nelson
FutureQuest Support

Terra

06-29-1999, 06:31 PM

tedloh:
Search these forums on the keyword: procmail

There are some other mail filtering programs that I'm investigating that tie closer to QMail than what procmail does...[nbsp][nbsp]For now, procmail will be your primary tool unless your write your own programs to intercept mail delivery via the '|yourprogram.pl' mechanism...[nbsp][nbsp]I believe with procmail, you will need to use '|preline procmail' - further information can be found at:
www.qmail.org/top.html (http://www.qmail.org/top.html)

And yes, you can monkey around with the '.qmail-*' files to create your own recipies for control...[nbsp][nbsp]Just be careful with '.qmail-default' as this passes control to our Virtual Mail layer...[nbsp][nbsp]Make backups of whatever files that you may modify...[nbsp][nbsp]We cannot provide any support when you enter that realm, and if you break it - you buy it... ;)

Hope this helps...

--
Terra
--Ever see a bull loose in a china shop?--
FutureQuest

tedloh

06-30-1999, 12:37 AM

LOL Justin - why am I not surprised...[nbsp][nbsp]I was actually an old BASIC programmer from the pre-PC days.[nbsp][nbsp]The only reason I can do VB is because of that...

Terra - thanks for that reply.[nbsp][nbsp]I looked briefly at procmail last night before I read this, and thought to myself "Geez![nbsp][nbsp]Better leave it for tomorrow"

I'll accept the "You break it, you bought it" part :)[nbsp][nbsp]Was just worried if I used procmail then I would have to ask questions about the ultimate delivery destination of my mail... which I believe is under vmspool, then directories which for fairly obvious reasons are not accessable by me :)

More questions later as I research the availability of programs :)[nbsp][nbsp]Thanks again you guys!
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Ted (Chief Do-It-All)
Tygre Systems Co Ltd
Bangkok, Thailand, Land of Smiles :) :)
http://www.tygresystems.com (work in progress)
ted@tygresystems.com

tedloh

06-30-1999, 12:53 AM

Ok, I think I see what you are saying.

If I create gobbledygook@tygresystems.com

I can send and receive mail from both

gobbledygook@tygresystems.com[nbsp][nbsp]and
gobbledygook@st-andrews.ac

but for a catch-all account I must use my original root account.[nbsp][nbsp]If this is so then so be it, I can run a daemon on this side but it just doesn't make sense to me to add another machine into the equation.

Is there some reason why the issue of other daemons or filters or playing with Qmail is met with silence?[nbsp][nbsp]Am I talking a taboo subject? :(

Ted

Deb

06-30-1999, 12:56 AM

heh no reason other than the fact that the man that would know the answers to that isn't here ;)

It's something I would have to ask Terra about... once he is back in the office I will...

Deb
[nbsp]--
[nbsp][nbsp] The techs answer the tech stuff.... I just hang out :)