Gaming ladder scripts (Justin ?)

[Dean B]

Justin,
You know of anyone, or maybe even yourself http://www.aota.net/ubb/wink.gif, who could produce a set of scripts for an online gaming ladder. I currently get all match reports mailed to me, then I run them through a VB prog, then I produce the html pages and finally upload them all. I was let down by someone a while back and although I've grasped the basics of perl, hacking a UBB etc, am a long way off producing these kind of scripts. I've been running this ladder for almost a year now and manually updating each day is becoming extremely tedious http://www.aota.net/ubb/frown.gif
For an idea of what it's about the site is at -
http://xdmcity.futurequest.net/dmc2clb
BTW, love your UBB hacks http://www.aota.net/ubb/biggrin.gif


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[Justin]

I know who you are refering to - I've been reading a lot at the UBB code hacking forum. You're right. His spelling leave on wondering about his coding http://www.aota.net/ubb/frown.gif

I don't really know what a gaming ladder is - I clicked your URL and got forwarded to www.dmcity.com, which gave me a listing of the dmc2clb directory, so I clicked Parent directory, which in turn forwarded my to xdmcity.futurequest.net. (how do you keep a moron busy?)

So anyway, I don't quite know what a gaming ladder is. I think I understand the basic idea, but I don't know what all is involved. I could try, though. Never hurts http://www.aota.net/ubb/smile.gif

Give me a good link and I'll check it out. It sounds like it shouldn't be that hard - I'm assuming that the matches are online? If so, that would make things easier. Or even if the info was input in a form - that would work. Then it would do whatever a gaming ladder does http://www.aota.net/ubb/smile.gif

Give me some URL's of some other gaming ladders that I can persue and get a good idea of what's involved. I don't claim to be a master of Perl (VB is my thing), but I have all of the basic concepts down, and I understand the whole common gateway thing (sounds real professional, doesn't it?).

I have learned that the thing that's most important is to have a grasp on programming in general. Kinda like how it's easier to learn how to other programs once you've learned one - the common look and feel - same with writing the darn things!

Anyway, it's getting to be my bedtime (yes, I'm in the US, but I'm on an odd scedule), so email me if you want ( Justin_is_cool@vdj.net ).

http://www.aota.net/ubb/biggrin.gif


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Justin Nelson, SFE Inc.
http://www.vdj.net

[Justin]

His spelling leave on wondering about his coding.
Figures I'd misspell two words while talking about someone else's spelling - guess I'm tired, huh? http://www.aota.net/ubb/smile.gif

I must be - I can't figure out how to spell misspell - is it hyphenated? Or is it right? Now it's gonna bug me all day.



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Justin Nelson, SFE Inc.
http://www.vdj.net

[Dean B]

Justin,
You're the second person today that told me that happened when they clicked on that URL ? But it only appears to happen with people using IE ?? How on earth is that link pointing them to my domain which as far as I am aware hasn't even started the process of being transferred to FQuest ? And why only IE users ? Hmmmm. Maybe Terra can explain this behaviour.
Back to the ladder scripts Justin. I'm assuming you play the ocassional PC game in between 'perling' http://www.aota.net/ubb/smile.gif Playing these games online is enormously popular and Cases ( www.igl.net (http://www.igl.net) ) have setup ladders(leagues) for every game you can think of. It just so happens mine is Links LS Golf by Access. There are literally thousands of players all vying for the top spot. Have a poke around Cases for a better idea of how things work; reporting, statistics etc. You might also want to look at my friends golfing ladder which unfortunately is on an NT server so he's using ASP. My intended setup will be very much along the same lines - http://www.boksoft.com/bokkie

Cheers, Dean.

[Justin]

Ok, duh!!! A ladder. I've seen them on paper and chalk boards.. Now I feel silly http://www.aota.net/ubb/smile.gif I should have figured out what you meant. Lots of tournaments use them - I've just never seen one on the web. Neat concept.

I hope you aren't wanting anything as complex as Case's ladders, with the Java and all. They've got some neat little applets that update in real time - that's cool. But the actual ladder seems like it wouldn't be difficult to set up. I guess the data would go into a file, and when you load the page, it would take that data and create the HTML for the ladder.

<guessing>
Basically, users play each other on line and report the scores via a form. The script stores the data and figures the statistics, and who plays who next. Users must enter username/password to submit scores, and of course, the scores entered by both players must match. The ladder shows a nice visual representation of what is going on with the games in progress as well as who plays next and finished games. Then there's an administrator (you) that can control what goes on, who can do what, take care of scheduling, and close tournaments.
</guessing>

Am I close to the basic idea?

Let me get some sleep (if I can ever turn of the 'puter) and tomorrow (tonight to you normal people) I will dig up what I can. Maybe I'll join a game or two with Doom - yes, I play Doom, Quake 2, Hexen, Tomb Raider II, and other games once in a blue moon http://www.aota.net/ubb/biggrin.gif And it's usually Visual Basic - Perl has only recently started to take all of my attention. It's addicting...

Justin
--The oyster has a very tight grip (or is it a clam?)--

[Justin]

I just realized that the boksoft.com one doesn't actually display a ladder visually, or I didn't look hard enough, but I'm sure I can do one. It's mostly HTML involved there. The cgi part is only for the data and stuff. His setup only showed ordinary tables.

Don't judge my site for my HTML skills - I can't think of anything creative for a site about my software - yet. It's not a lack of HTML know-how, but a lack of creativity in general. Not that I'm an expert or anything, either.

There I go again - rambling on and on... Shoot me an email describing what features are needed and what features are optional but would be nice, and I'll start playing around tonight. I'm running Apache for Win32, and so far anything I've done locally worked exactly the same on FQ's server.


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Justin Nelson, SFE Inc.
http://www.vdj.net

[Dean B]

Justin,
You get that email I sent you with attachment ok ?

Dean.
ICQ#206938

[Justin]

I got it. I'm currently at that URL - weird, if I go directly to it, I get redirected, but if I go to your site and click the link in the applet, it takes me to the same URL just fine. Hmm...

Anyway, I'm checking it out now, so I'll get back to you.

Justin http://www.aota.net/ubb/smile.gif

[CrimsonHaze]

I have been hunting all over for some ASP code to make a small ladder that my friends and I can use for our TA Kingdoms battles.[nbsp][nbsp]

I have access to a NT server and would be really gratefull if someone could share their ASP skill with me :)

Cheers

Mike Rowe

[Dean B]

Mike,

ASP &amp; FQ = Chalk &amp; Cheese :)[nbsp][nbsp]PHP/MySQL is the way to go.

Drop by - http://www.dmcity.com/ladder/dmcpro/

Dean.

[CrimsonHaze]

I need chalk &amp; chees as I just need something thats neat but simple for my little community :)

[CrimsonHaze]

Hey I like your site![nbsp][nbsp]I used to write KALI user guides for the compuserve community when it was a ***** to intall DOS programme![nbsp][nbsp]I used to email Joe Cotton quite a bit :)

My prob is I am small beer and cannot afford my own server so I hire a virtual directory on a NT box.[nbsp][nbsp]By uploading an access DB I can use ASP to interact.

My provider will not let me remotly administer a SQL db and so my options seem to be limited to ASP,java or cgi scripts.[nbsp][nbsp]I prefer ASP as at least I can understand it reasonably well :)

Cheers for the feedback!

Mike
aka CrimsonHaze

[Justin]

CrimsonHaze,

We don't have ASP here, as we are on a Linux box... so noone here really knows ASP. I don't know where you might find such a script written in ASP either, unfortunately...

Where are you hosted at (curiously)? I personally recomend either Perl or PHP (PHP being the preference for that type of script) in combo with a mySQL database, although if you could find someone to do it in ASP/Access I'm sure you would get similar results... or for a smaller site (one which doesn't get a whole lot of traffic) you could use plain text files with Perl (cheaper than paying extra for a database, plus would work on most any system).

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Justin Nelson
FutureQuest Support

[Sammy]

So back to the gaming ladder issue........

can you write something like this? if so, how much would you charge?

Thanks!

(and yes that golf one looked most excellent, however we would need support for multiple games, not just one)
http://www.dmcity.com/ladder/dmcpro/

[Neil128]

Dean,
[nbsp][nbsp]You already have the VB program that does the ladder?? well then you already have the ASP code then, VB and ASP are basically the exact same thing.[nbsp][nbsp]But if you really want to make the same thing in another language then go ahead, I used to play around in VB then next thing i know im being paid $50 an hour to do ASP for business apps (I'm only 19 for christ sake!!)
[nbsp][nbsp] The only down side was that i had to find an NT server, which arent as easy to find as the Unix/Linux servers, plus ussually run a bit more $$.[nbsp][nbsp]Some people may gripe that NT servers dont perform as well as the others, but unless your hosting Yahoo or something, it doesn't matter.

[Dean B]

Sorry, I should have posted a follow up to this thread.[nbsp][nbsp]I went the PHP/MySQL route as FQ had everything I needed.[nbsp][nbsp]I hired a programmer to build the basic scripts for me as I was just starting out with PHP and what I needed was beyond my understanding.[nbsp][nbsp]I'm pleased to say my golfing ladders have been up over 6 months now and are running as smooth as silk :)[nbsp][nbsp]As my knowledge of PHP/MySQL has grown (big kudos to Justin) so I've added my own little hacks/additions to them.
And sorry Samantha, the're not for sale :(
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[mdesmit]

Hi everybody,

Through the search engines I found this discussion about making/getting a gaming ladder script , since I'm now busy with building for[nbsp][nbsp]my tennisclub ( non profit) a website I was wondering if anybody knows now ( 2 months later ) any scripts that I can buy or get for a gaming ladder.[nbsp][nbsp]

Or can any programmer tell me what it would cost me to make such a script.[nbsp][nbsp]I'm now running my own dedicated unixserver with perl, php , mysql and probably asp also in some months time.

regards,

Martin

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