Need for a web stats server!!!!!!!!!!

[apm]

WEll fellas you guys need a web stat server if possible have rev domain thingy on.

ANy business on the net has to have a log whihc will look at user movement through the website. It would help us improve the service .

I know you guys are upgrading your stuff and have put in new servers and all. But I think web stat server with rev domain feature is very neccessary.

1) most good hosting companies have it. (i think you are good)
2) ned to track customers through site with out the need for cookies.

WEll at least thats how I feel. Would like to hear what other people think on this matter.

Apoorva

[Justin]

Reverse domain lookup has been turned off temporarily, as it puts far too much load on the server. Everything is logged, and you can find a third party program that will interpret your log files and do a reverse lookup on the client domains as well.

I have been searching for a while, but cannot find any that are free. There are some that run on the server (cgi) and some that run under Windows, where you download you log files and run the program. I'll try to dig up some URL's later tonight for you.

I personally have been satisfied with HTTP-Analyze, as I don't really concern myself with the client domain. But it is weak in the area of tracking an individual user's movements throughout the site - it's more of a general compilation of what files where accessed how many times, etc.

Hope this helps http://www.aota.net/ubb/smile.gif


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Justin Nelson
FutureQuest Support

[Bi4Be]

Well, that would be nice. But I don't really want to add that extra little stress into Deb and Terra's day. http://www.aota.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

On my "priority scale" ranging 1-10 that is only a 3.

[Bi4Be]

Justin! You just had to click on "Submit Reply" a tad earlier than me didn't you!?!? http://www.aota.net/ubb/biggrin.gif

[Justin]

Hehe - I'm on a roll http://www.aota.net/ubb/wink.gif

[Deb]

Being it's Justin turn to post first.... I'll simply ditto what he said and add a lil bit to it http://www.aota.net/ubb/smile.gif

The Rev Doms do impact the servers in a serious way... which has been explained already. They ARE planned to be returned when we can get another box setup just for them... it has been a priority issue. We do our best to concur the majority demands in a priority fashion. The OC-12 NOC will help tremendously with what we can and can not offer. With this it will also make the ability to set up more systems easier.

Andrew is planning to rewrite the entire routines in the rev dom areas.. there are many things we would like to enhance with the stats. We do believe we are using one of the best stats program available yet there is always room for enhancements.

If your need for rev doms is vital I'm sure if you email Andrew personally he would work toward helping you get them turned on but I do believe it would seriously impact the speed of your site while they are running.

It just takes a tremendous amount of resources to get them in and speed/reliability is what we're goaling for right now.

Some other ways to accomplish what you are looking for without having to pay and without having to put the pressure on the server and without having to code a bunch or install scripts would be to use a free stats service like http://usa.nedstat.net/ , http://www.sitegauge.com/ , http://stattrax.com/ , and http://www.web-stat.com/ . There are a bunch of places on the net that offer this service for free.

Hope this helps
Deb

[auteur]

I use http://www.extreme-dm.com/tracking/ don't know if this will help you or not, but I've been happy with it for a year now. http://www.aota.net/ubb/smile.gif



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Elizabeth M. Miller
Getting You the Attention You Deserve!
www.123marketing.com (http://www.123marketing.com)

[apm]

THanks for the sites.

ALthouhg i want to know these says they will cahge x$ for 10,000 hits. 10,000 hits per month or per year?

Apoorva

[Deb]

That's a question that is best asked of the people that run them then here. They'll be able to quote you the details much better then we could.

I'd suggest tossing them an email.

Deb

[apm]

want you guys to look at:

www.tribologyindia.com/cgi-local/ax-admin.cgi

THis is a free stats analyzer. It is very good speacilly if you initialize the rev dom.

I think its really good. Because i have used for the past year.


look forward to you comments.

(no much of data to report for this )

APoorva

[Terra]

Hello Apoorva,

I have been doing some work on this and may have found a solution for your reverse resolves... I can enable RARP's with Apache on a domain basis, instead of the once global behavior it used to have... You would encounter a 20 - 30% performance hit, as Apache will need to reverse resolve each hit that you get... The performance hit is unavoidable as the reverse lookup is very expensive as the resolver library routines are NOT known for their high speed, only their capability...

The way I have redesigned your particular Apache daemon, this would have minor impact on the other domains pooled with you... I believe that it is ready for testing now, but do not want to invoke it unless absolutely necessary...

The choice is yours... Let me know...

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Terra
--Always working on creative solutions for a better tomorrow--
FutureQuest

[This message has been edited by ccTech (edited 03-29-99).]

[Cindy]

What are reverse domain lookups?

[Dean B]

I use Extreme as well Elizabeth, I find it provides very useful information. And if you reduce their graphic to 1 x 1 no one knows it's there. Sssssch http://www.aota.net/ubb/wink.gif

Dean.

[jelevin]

I'm also very interested in being able to track users through the site and answer questions such as how long did the average user spend on each page and what links were followed. It's less important for me to know the name of every domain (that would be fun to read, but I'm not sure what to do with the info). I'd be happy to download the log files and run some program on my Windows 98 machine, but I'd be even happier to work with FutureQuest to get this set up and would be willing to pay (modestly) extra for this service. Any suggestions?

[jelevin]

In my opinion the tracking services seem to be little more than glorified counters. I did some browsing around. The log analysis programs that track how long is spent on each page and the paths through the site include

http://www.summary.net

http://www.webtrends.com/products/reports/log/default.htm (Top Paths Through Site report)

http://www.sane.com/demo/NetTracker/web/

It looks to me like FutureQuest could purchase WebTrends Log Analyzer for a cost of $8 / virtual domain!

[Deb]

What are reverse domain lookups?

Reverse domain lookups take an IP Number (ex. 205.244.185.207) and tell you want the domain name is (ex. aota.net)

If you were to have a reverse domain lookup then when I went to your web site via my ISP you would see 'oca-u1-17.hitter.net' in the logs rather than '209.40.61.17'.

Deb

[Terra]

We have just looked at the Linux version of the Reporting Server and must say that it is extremely expensive... How you came up with $8.00/virtual domain is way beyond me!

Cost of Webtrends for Linux with 1 year of updates:
$1799: WebTrends Enterprise Reporting Server PLUS Subscription
**Includes usage for 1 server and 5 users/domains
$499: User Add-on


Let's say 505 domains want to run this...
1795 + (500 * 499) == 1795 + (149500) = WAY TOO EXPENSIVE

A Basic package is $179.40, yet we would be paying WebTrends $500.00 per domain that wanted to utilize it (**Unless I'm missing something here**)...

Something is just not right about this at all, I will end up having to call WebTrends on Monday and find out why they are so proud of their stats package...

There is another cost associated with this... I would have to build a dedicated STATS server (HIGH-POWERED) as all stats are generated Real-Time and dynamically... I have spoke with NT hosting companies that have tried to run this and basically it turns their servers to oatmeal trying to compile the dynamic stats...

I would also ask them to conform to the ELF logging format, as this should have been the defacto standard all along...

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Terra
--In a state of confusion--
FutureQuest

PS: I will call them on Monday to get the full scoop, but from the information on their pricing page - it is priced to oblivion...