webpage within a webpage

[Chris Carlson]

My question is this: How can I get a webpage from another source within a certain table in my webpage. My purpose is so that other sites will be shown, but the nav bar on my site ( they will still be at my site ) will still remain. How do I write an html code within a table I want the page to appear, or any good examples of this anywhere?
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Thanks,
Chris

[Brian]

Have you considered/ or are you familiar with an iframe?

[PaulKroll]

Be very, very careful with this: if you use frames, you can make an argument that may or may not stand up in court that you're not violating someones copyrights.[nbsp][nbsp]If you pull a full page into a table... well I know my company would have lawyers on you in seconds for that.[nbsp][nbsp]I am not a lawyer, and this is not legal advice nor my companies opinion, but that sounds like a clear-cut case of copyright infringement. Just because something is on the web does NOT give you the right to use it on your site.[nbsp][nbsp](Now, the chances of being caught? That's not the question. :) )

About.com does a decent job of using frames over external sites: it's pretty clear that the frame over a linked-to site is A) a frame, and b) not part of the site below it.[nbsp][nbsp]They also give you a link to get rid of the frame, which is a nice touch.

[Dan Kaplan]

An alternative would be regular frames, assuming you set them up in a functional fashion...[nbsp][nbsp]One potentially large problem:[nbsp][nbsp]I use a JavaScript on my homepage to bust out of frames (I would recommend everyone do this, as far too many people don't use frames properly when linking to sites), which would defeat your intended purpose.

Dfeet != Dfeat

edit:[nbsp][nbsp]Paul beat me to it...[nbsp][nbsp]My "alternative" suggestion was in reference to Brian's post, which sounds repetitive now that Paul chimed in.[nbsp][nbsp];)

[This message has been edited by Dan Kaplan (edited 03-22-00@2:16 pm)]

[Brian]

Yes you all are right, you should only use iframes as a last ditch resort (assuming you have permission). I would also recomend you use other methods though as they do not work in Netscape.

-Brian

[Drew]

May I make a suggestion?[nbsp][nbsp]As much as it may hurt to do so, give the user a small link to turn off your frame.[nbsp][nbsp]Even though they can open the frame in a new window, it's all just a hassle.
Drew

[Chris Carlson]

Thanks for all the helpfull advice about iframes etc. It would clearly not be a copyright infringement as the linked page is not a business in any way. It is just that I want other people in my organization to be able to post info on my site, but I do not want to give out my CNC password etc to everyone. The page they would be viewing is a personal page, and it would work out great as I do not have to update info each week - I dont really have the time to do so. Anywayz I will check out the iframe.


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[nemesis]

It would clearly not be a copyright infringement as the linked page is not a business in any way.Just to be clear, one does not have to be a business to own copyright to their material. Basically, every Joe Blow owns copyright to almost any material of his creation (assuming it's not infringing on someone else's copyright already) the moment he creates it. You might be interested in this collection of copyright info at http://html.about.com/compute/html/msubcopyright.htm.

I don't know exactly what you'll be doing with your page, but I just thought you should know that copyright law has nothing to do with whether the owner is a business (except that a business might be more likely to sue). ;)[nbsp]
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[Chris Carlson]

Look what I ran into on Ask Jeeves:

http://www.askjeeves.com/main/metaAnswer.asp?MetaEngine=AltaVista&logQID=16451949244AD4118A3500 90276-ADD36&qCategory=jeeves&qSource=4&frames=yes&site_name=Jeeves&r=x& MetaTopic=Home+-+BuffyGuide.com&Met-aURL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.buffyguide.com%2F&EngineOrdinal=1&ItemOrdin al=1&ask=buffyguide.com+metasearch&-origin=0&MetaList=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.buffyguide.com%2F&IMAGE1.x=23& IMAGE1.y=12

copy and paste in url box

nemesis, is this an example of copyright infringement?
I found it on Ask Jeeves - if you do a search of your site, and everyone elses, their convenient frame on top makes it feel as though you are still at Ask Jeeves.com

[Chris Carlson]

oh yea - I forgot, at tleast they are nice enough to put a remove frame link up top. But I still dont like it.


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[Dan Kaplan]

I've seen an even worse example by a person who is a cold fusion instructor for Allaire.[nbsp][nbsp]He showed me how in about half an hour he can make my entire site (500 or more pages) appear to be part of his, stripping out logo headers and footers, renaming all links to appear to be on his site, etc.[nbsp][nbsp]All with some nasty little regular expressions.[nbsp][nbsp]:([nbsp][nbsp]I was quite shocked to see how well the tracks could be covered in very little time.[nbsp][nbsp]Nothing about the resulting hit tracking stood out suspiciously.[nbsp][nbsp]The only way I could see catching on to such a scheme would be unusal bandwidth usage or recognizing pieces of your site encorporated elsewhere, and the web is a very big place for things to hide.

Discouraging

[nemesis]

I've wondered about it, too, and I don't like it, either. ;)[nbsp][nbsp]I suppose their defense would be that they leave your page fully intact, and that they have the 'Remove Frames' option. I'm not expert enough to claim to know how a case against them would go in court, but I'd imagine someone desiring to sue them would have a good shot at winning... if they could afford lawyers at least as good as Ask.com's. ;)[nbsp][nbsp]I certainly can't, so I'll just sit on the sidelines and complain to myself.
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[Justin]

I think the key difference here is that Ask.com isn't trying to make your page appear to be part of their site (hence the remove frames link). They are acting more like a browser tool than anything, though they do place ads in there too... I've personally always hated Ask.com for this, but I don't think they're doing anything wrong...

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