Could someone take a look at this page?

[Dan Kaplan]

http://run-down.com

I thought I had this set up just fine, but I was at my parents' place this weekend and noticed it didn't show up right on one of their computers but fine on the other...[nbsp][nbsp]Both are PC's running IE version 4.x.

The "problem" spot is at the bottom.[nbsp][nbsp]You will notice the blue left sidebar that curves at the bottom into a thin horizontal section.[nbsp][nbsp]The bottom section should be uniform across, with a rounded bit at the end.[nbsp][nbsp]Every computer/browser combo I have looked at it on displays this just fine, except for this weekend's surprise.[nbsp][nbsp]It was expanding the middle section with the words to about twice the normal size, even though the text size hadn't expanded to necessitate it.[nbsp][nbsp]The only reason I can think of that it would have done that is to make room for the link???

I probably will just make the bottom section larger to allow for this, but I didn't think it was a problem until Saturday.[nbsp][nbsp]If someone sets the browser to display bigger text sizes, that would certainly cause a similar problem.[nbsp][nbsp]However, I'm not sure I want to plan around that in general, as it throws off pretty much all visual formatting.

By the way, Justin, this is the type of frustration I referred to about IE often treating things differently from one installation to another.[nbsp][nbsp]That's the extent of negativity on my part in this post, so please no one take that as an invitation to a browser war.[nbsp][nbsp];)

If any of you Mac users care to take a look at it, I would be very interested to hear how things look to you.[nbsp][nbsp]Thanks in advance.

Distorted

[Bradley]

Here is waht shows up on mine www.ganon.net/images/rundown.bmp (http://www.ganon.net/images/rundown.bmp) *gasp* BMP!?!? ahh .. uhh I am using IE 5.00.2920.0000 running on NT5[nbsp]
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Bradley Noe
www.ganon.net (http://www.ganon.net)
I'm on a Futurequest (http://www.Futurequest.net), are you?

[jak]

hi dan,

no Distortion on this end, and i'm using a mac, netscape 4.7, resolution set to 1024x768.

i'l email you a "screenshot" just for the heck of it! :)

cheers,

julie

[Dan Kaplan]

Thanks!

Bradley, your bitmap is showing what I feared.[nbsp][nbsp]Only difference is that you got the middle text vertically aligned at the bottom, whereas it was in the middle on the other computer that showed it that way...[nbsp][nbsp]Looks like I'd better change it just to be safe.

Glad to hear things look ok on a Mac![nbsp][nbsp]That's always the great unknown of us PC users.[nbsp][nbsp]:)

Thanks,
reDsign

[wolfstalks]

Ok here's a screen shot taken in a more "PC" mode, a jpg[nbsp][nbsp]LOL.[nbsp][nbsp]Anyway looks great to me, viewing from a PC, running Win2000 RC-2, at 800 X 600, Netscape 4.7 on a 17 inch monitor. And then, there is the shot from the same machine using IE 5.0, Not as pretty ??????
[nbsp]Hope this helps????
http://www.wolfstalks.net/rundownscreenshot.htm
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Have a Good One
Bob

[Justin]

Window sized to approx. 830 pixels wide:
http://www.vdj.net/DKbroke.gif

Window sized to approx. 840 pixels wide:
http://www.vdj.net/DKfixed.gif

It sounds to me like all PC's you've tried it on have been at 1024 x 768, except for the one where it does not render properly. I have never seen IE render *proper* HTML differently from one installation to the next - it's handling of broken HTML might vary, but this is to be expected (not saying your HTML is broke - have not looked :))

At any rate, resizing it to below 840 pixels (or so) breaks it, anything wider and it's fine.

Hope this helps.

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Justin Nelson
FutureQuest (http://www.FutureQuest.net/index.php) Support

[wolfstalks]

As usual, Justin sems to be correct, when I changed my settings to 1064 X 768 the page rendered correctly in IE 5.0
So it apparently only affects IE users with settings below 800 +[nbsp][nbsp]BUT yet it does render in NS properly no matter what the settings.[nbsp][nbsp]Hmmmm[nbsp][nbsp]Interesting.[nbsp][nbsp]Not trying to start a war here just an observation.
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Have a Good One
Bob

[Justin]

Adding to the above - now I'm looking at the code:


<TD WIDTH=&quot;34%&quot; ALIGN=&quot;center&quot; valign=&quot;middle&quot;>&amp;nbsp;<FONT FACE=&quot;arial&quot; SIZE=&quot;1&quot;><nobr>Designed, Maintained, &amp;amp; Hosted by <a href=&quot;http://abledesign.com&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;>AbleDesign.com</a></nobr></FONT>&amp;nbsp;</TD>


&amp;nbsp - tells the browser to put a space - *after* you kill the <nobr> tag (though I would simply take the <nobr> out of it)...

Try getting rid of the &amp;nbsp; from the entire bottom section. For reference, here's a screenshot of the bottom, sized to be broken, with everything selected (reduced to 50% size):

http://www.vdj.net/DKselect.gif

See where the &quot;non breaking space&quot; is on its own line, above the text in the center? That's where it's wrapping, causing the table to become taller...

Hope this helps.

PS - the broken 'puter is probably set with larger fonts, or wider scroll bars (just enough to make the difference), or some other inconsistancy...

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Justin Nelson
FutureQuest (http://www.FutureQuest.net/index.php) Support

[Dan Kaplan]

Thanks for the detailed analysis![nbsp][nbsp]However, I'm confused why resolution would have anything to do with this...[nbsp][nbsp]I could understand if the text were taking up more space than the resolution setting allowed, but that's clearly not the case from the screenshot.

The reason for the <nobr> was to keep the text from wrapping at low resolution.[nbsp][nbsp]I'd rather have the blue section extend off the screen a bit (it should be fine down to ~500 wide) than have it double up like it unfortunately does in some situations...[nbsp][nbsp]:(

I can't remember why I have an &amp;nbsp; instead of a regular blank space.[nbsp][nbsp]I think I orginally had several spaces to keep the three sections from getting too close together, but later took them out.[nbsp][nbsp]I'm not sure I follow what that has to do with things, though???[nbsp][nbsp]Is it because it's outside of the <nobr>?

At any rate, I'm going to expand the bottom section a bit and take out the unneeded stuff, then try different resolutions and browsers and...[nbsp][nbsp]The good thing is that all 300+ pages on the site are pulling that bottom section from a single text file![nbsp][nbsp]:)

By the way, as far as I could tell, the problematic parental computer was visually standard, i.e. normal font sizes, scroll bars, etc.[nbsp][nbsp]I didn't think to check on it, but I very much doubt they have the resolution set to 1024.[nbsp][nbsp]As Bob said, Netscape doesn't seem to care what the resolution is.[nbsp][nbsp]The only thing that was different looking with their setup is that the top grey toolbar section of IE had some funny squiggly handwriting-looking pattern across it.[nbsp][nbsp]I don't know if this is some sort of customization?[nbsp][nbsp]I've never seen it before.

Thanks again,
Dtale

[This message has been edited by Dan Kaplan (edited 02-07-00@11:32 pm)]

[Dan Kaplan]

Oh, I forgot to mention with that last part that my computer is set to 800x600, and the page looks just fine in IE.[nbsp][nbsp]So, I don't think resolution alone is the determining factor.[nbsp][nbsp]For some reason, my browser sizer program is working fine with Netscape but hanging up with IE, so I'm having a little difficulty testing things...

Drone

[Dan Kaplan]

If you're not totally bored with this topic yet...[nbsp][nbsp]Since I cannot duplicate the IE problems for whatever reason (browser sizer decided to start working again), I posted a quick adjustment with only the &amp;nbsp;'s removed:

http://run-down.com/bottom_test.shtml

Does that look any different than before?[nbsp][nbsp]I still plan on adjusting the height of the bottom section, but first I'd like to understand what's going on! ;)

Thanks,
Dan

[Justin]

For me - that seems to have fixed the problem - I can resize it until I get horizontal scroll bars, and the table doesn't get goofy now :)

I think it was because the &amp;nbsp; was outside of the <nobr> tags - I know that should not make a difference considering that there was not much text - but obviously IE thinks differently (no offense to Mac users ;) )

What my next suggestion would have been, though, was to add one new row, with a colspan= however many columns, and placing a single pixel GIF in there with a width of whatever &quot;minimum&quot; table width you would like - this would allow resizing, but would not let it size lower than a certain point (as opposed to using fixed tables)... but of course that's a moot point now, but it's two o'clock in the morning and I am not really fully here hehe :)

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Justin Nelson
FutureQuest (http://www.FutureQuest.net/index.php) Support