View Full Version : Spammer to pay $7 mil in suit
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Andilinks
08-10-2005, 06:24 PM
Unfortunately articles like this are not a deterrent to would-be spammers, they are an incentive.
Before one can be ordered to pay Microsoft $7 million one would have probably had to cause them that much damage and pocket a few million while doing so. That's a ride that many with spamming skills would be willing to take since they really are not taking a very long view of things anyway.
These people need to be jailed. I doubt that would be a deterrent either, but it would be stronger than a damage settlement.
That's a ride that many with spamming skills would be willing to take since they really are not taking a very long view of things anyway.
I'm sure Microsoft would like to have your spare $7 million.
Jail and other punitive measures are never a deterrent. If they were, we would be living in a crime free country.
Thought the same thing when I saw it -- if the settlement was $7 million, that probably sends the message to other startup spammers that he probably made $10 million :(
Andilinks
08-10-2005, 06:50 PM
I'm sure Microsoft would like to have your spare $7 million.Ahhh, but it would have to be damage to them before they could get such a judgement. Hypothetically I wouldn't mind sitting back with it while the MS lawyers tried to pry it loose from my lawyer's tight fists.
But the premise of your statement is false because I'm not a spammer, past, present or future.
Andi
Andilinks
08-10-2005, 06:58 PM
Jail and other punitive measures are never a deterrent.That is simply not true. Punitive measures are imperfect but effective. Just think about why you let up on the gas when you find yourself going over the speed limit. Is it safety or the traffic fine?
Raising penalties for certain crimes does reduce their numbers, though admittedly never to zero.
Andi
Just think about why you let up on the gas when you find yourself going over the speed limit.
Uhhh...no. You pretty much need to be going well over 80 on the highway in NJ to get pulled over. My little car struggles at 80 and the ride sucks. I do the local speed limits in towns, etc. because I don't want to run anyone over, just like I expect to be able to cross the street on the green light without being run over. I also don't want to run over small animals such as cats.
Getting pulled over is irrelevant in my town as it is patrolled by the state police (we don't have our own police dept) and we are lucky if they come by once or twice a day.
States that have put the death penalty in don't see a drop in crimes that earn it. Texas and Florida are good examples of that and it is well-studied.
Andilinks
08-10-2005, 07:21 PM
States that have put the death penalty in don't see a drop in crimes that earn it. The death penalty is an exception for a variety of reasons.
Forgive me for questioning your angelic moral perfection...
The death penalty is an exception for a variety of reasons.Not in Texas. The murder rate per 100,000 from 1960 to 2003 can be found here (http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/txcrime.htm)
and here (http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=12&did=169#MRalpha). Other crime rates have risen significantly. The murder rate has fallen.
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Don
The death penalty is an exception for a variety of reasons.
Such as?
Don, the murder rate has fallen significantly across the country in recent years. I'm not a criminoligist but suspect it is because some types of guns have become harder to obtain. Also, crack has been taken over by meth as the drug of choice with addicts. I don't know about either one but did read an article that meth addicts don't have the violent streak crack gave them.
However, I understand the addiction is much more powerful which would likely explain the other crime rates such as larceny and burglary.
Andilinks
08-10-2005, 09:23 PM
Actually the exception for the death penalty in most states is that it is neither swift nor certain. Scott Peterson will likely live a few more decades...
In Texas the death penalty is relatively swift and certain. That has other drawbacks. I don't think any government is competent to carry out the death penalty, even though most on death row probably deserve to die.
The death penalty as an example of your original erroneous assertion is just a red herring filled with irrelevant side issues that muddy the waters.
Jail and other punitive measures are never a deterrent. Is false.
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Jail and other punitive measures are never a deterrent.
Is false.
Ohhh...bold type to overlook your lack of proof, I suppose. Examples, please.
You are correct that Paterson will likely spend a decade or two or two in prison on death row, particularly since serious doubts are being raised about the form of punishment in the form of DNA tests.
The death penalty as an example of your original erroneous assertion is just a red herring filled with irrelevant side issues that muddy the waters.
Um, you are the one that brought other punishments into the spotlight here. Why should some punishments be acceptable and some not?
Andilinks
08-10-2005, 10:36 PM
Examples, please.Well no. Your statement is so patently absurd on its face that providing examples would be farce. You are saying punishment is not a deterrent and asking for examples that it is.... :ROFL:
You are saying punishment is not a deterrent and asking for examples that it is....
No, That's what you said:
Unfortunately articles like this are not a deterrent to would-be spammers, they are an incentive.
I said:
Jail and other punitive measures are never a deterrent. If they were, we would be living in a crime free country.
Andilinks
08-10-2005, 11:30 PM
I said:...articles like this are not a deterrent... You said:...punitive measures are never a deterrent...I don't think your grasp of this is sufficient for further comment.
I said: You said:I don't think your grasp of this is sufficient for further comment.
Kewl...I guess that means you will crawl back under your cactus.
Andilinks
08-10-2005, 11:56 PM
Kewl...I guess that means you will crawl back under your cactus.The tangled mess that you try to present here as reasoning is truly an embarrasment Betsy. You should delete it before it's too late.
Yes, I will retire to my cactus reservation.
The tangled mess that you try to present here as reasoning is truly an embarrasment Betsy.
Ummm...to who?
Andilinks
08-11-2005, 02:32 PM
Someone else who agrees (about the original article):
http://spamkings.oreilly.com/archives/2005/08/the_mixed_messa.html
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