IRM/DS-IRM/DS-ER and Google Penalties

[CMJC]

One for the FQ Bods...

Like many here, since the Google Allegra update my traffic has plummeted by 60%.

I'm not sure if it is due to a penalty, or the effect on G serving only local sites to local G-tlds.

(I still hold number 1 in the google.com serps, so I think it is the latter.)

If it *is* a penalty, it would be due to some of my ancient legacy sites redirecting (301s) to my main domain.

This is unlikely since I killed all my legacy sites months ago, sacrificing PR to pre-empt this, but G has a long memory eh?
Whatever, I now have a massive surplus of purchased BW at FQ, and need to boost my traffic legitimately.

So rather than downgrade my FQ package, I'm considering opening a new domain, NOT hot-linked to my main domain, but hosted on the same FQ account, so that it can use the pre-purchased BW.

I understand that this will/must be on the same IP, and that, according to the FQ blurb, 'the redirection will be invisible to visitors'.

Invisible to visitors, yes, ... but invisible to Google? Who may apply a penalty to the new domain because it is on the same IP, and they can detect the redirection.

G may perceive this as a black-hat technique, rather than simply a case of me wanting to use my BW and the convenience.

Could FQ Staff comment please. Too risky to try?

And, *if* G-proof, please advise which would be the best option to go for: IRM/DS-IRM/DS-ER

(I want the new domain to be as if with another host and the site is entirely different, though on the same theme.)

The alternative is to open the new domain away from FQ so as to avoid the risk of having the same IP, and G detecting the innocent redirection that FQ use.

Colin

[Wassercrats]

Google has been known to respond to people sometimes. Maybe you should ask them too.

[CMJC]

Thanks, G have indeed replied to all my questions, but I've not asked them about this because it depends on how FQ set up the IRMs. G would say, 'Ask FQ' :)

Terra and Sheila will know, and I trust their advice.

[Terra]

I do not know what Google believes is good or bad... That is only something that a Google and/or SERP expert can answer...

In reality, Google has to deal with the situation where there are MANY domains hosted on a single IP, via HTTP 1.1 methodology, due to how stringent Arin is with IP allocations... This is just a fact of life for Google and hosted web sites, and they must have ways of figuring out who is trying to game them and who isn't...

Our IRM's do NOT redirect in any way, at least not in the conventional sense... Everything is sleight of hand on the backside with complete transparency... When an IRM request is made, the server will dynamically switch to the IRM's directory and feed the content out directly from there all in one motion... Overall, IRM's are pretty darn slick - if I may say so...

Nonetheless, if you are that concerned about the risk of having more than one site on an IP, then is $9.95/month worth the peace of mind or are you willing to risk it for a $25.00 one-shot deal? Ultimately, the final choice will need to be yours as I simply cannot speak on Google's behalf...

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Terra
--If I knew how or why Google does what it does so effectively, I'd be rich and in early retirement--
FutureQuest

[CMJC]

Our IRM's do NOT redirect in any way, at least not in the conventional sense... Everything is sleight of hand on the backside with complete transparency... When an IRM request is made, the server will dynamically switch to the IRM's directory and feed the content out directly from there all in one motion... Overall, IRM's are pretty darn slick - if I may say so...

Ta for the quick reply T, I don't think I'll risk it. If my current domain is under some kind of G-penalty, and my new domain is sited on the same IP, and only the tld is changed, I think it'd look too suspicious for the kind-hearted GoogleBot to spot my hat-colour.

Colin

Btw: I don't pretend to understand the subtitlties of IRM/DS-IRM/DS-ER, etc but your reply really has confused me...

"Our IRMs do NOT redirect in any way, at least not in the conventional sense..."

Tell that to the bod who wrote the FQ description:

"IRM (Internal Redirection/Mapping)

IRMs allow you to host totally separate web sites, each having their own domain name, under the same account! If you have MainDomain.com/ExtraDomain/ (the contents of another web site within your maindomain), an IRM will allow you to setup ExtraDomain.com to transparently redirect to MainDomain.com/ExtraDomain/ where the /ExtraDomain/ directory functions for the Extra Domain just like the /www/ directory does for the Main Domain!

This would be transparent to the visitor. When the visitor points their browser to ExtraDomain.com they will not see that they have been redirected. It will look and function the same for the visitor just as if they had gone to a domain that has its own full package!"

:confuz:

[Terra]

There is nothing wrong with the description, as it must be written in such a manner that is approachable by anyone...

When I spoke of 'redirects', I was referring to Apache Status codes: 301, 302, 303, 307

for which when received by the browser will cause it to go elsewhere to get the content...

IRMs work like the telephone switches... Your call may be switched through 2 or more switching stations, but to you - it will feel like one seamless connection... Conventional Redirects are like calling the 411 operator for the local Pizza Hut number, and you either pay the fee to be bounced there or hang up and dial the number yourself...

With our IRM's - you only have to think you want a pizza and next thing you know it will be delivered right to your doorstep... :QTcar:

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Terra
--prefers Dominos--
FutureQuest

[Randall]

With our IRM's - you only have to think you want a pizza and next thing you know it will be delivered right to your doorstep... OK, so where's my tomato basil pie?

Randall

[Terra]

OK, so where's my tomato basil pie?
I'm sorry to say that it did not make it out of our kitchen alive... :QTpacman:

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Terra
--is soooo relieved that you weren't the one that ordered extra anchovies--
FutureQuest

[CMJC]

Conventional Redirects are like calling the 411 operator for the local Pizza Hut number, and you either pay the fee to be bounced there or hang up and dial the number yourself...

With our IRM's - you only have to think you want a pizza and next thing you know it will be delivered right to your doorstep... :QTcar:

*Chuckle* Ta for the analogy T. I just knew that's what you were going to say.

As the wonderfully Orwellian 'Department for Homeland Security' would say,

'Don't think of it as brainwashing, more an IRM.'

I'll take your subliminal advice, and not risk it.

Colin

[Randall]

I'm sorry to say that it did not make it out of our kitchen alive... That's just typical.

Randall :wah: