[FQuest Announce] MySQL Now Included w/ the Pioneer Package!

[Deb]

To save on costs, many hosts risk quality by installing MySQL on the same server that delivers the clients' web sites. As a result, MySQL may slow down web site delivery, or conversely, web sites may slow down MySQL services. In contrast, FutureQuest utilizes separate servers dedicated exclusively to MySQL operations, allowing us to balance server loads more efficiently and ensure optimal and speedy performance for both the Community Servers, whose primary focus is delivering web pages, and the MySQL servers, whose primary focus is sorting through and delivering the data.

Due to the greater expense of this superior solution MySQL has not been made available on the smaller packages. For those who placed quality over quantity in the delivery of their data, the caliber of service that this solution provided was well worth it.

Thanks to the support of those clients who valued this level of service, and who have continued to grow with FutureQuest, we were recently able to allocate a dozen NEW dedicated servers (yes I mean 12 of them!) to the existing MySQL dedicated server fleet.

Additionally, the MySQL 4.x series, which should afford more flexibility of design for site owners, has reached a level of stability in which FutureQuest has confidence. Consequently the new servers have been equipped with this new MySQL 4.x series database engine.

The existing MYSQL01 through MYSQL06 servers will receive some hardware upgrades that will provide the resources that MySQL 4.x demands and will then be migrated to the new MySQL 4.x engines. The upgrades for MYSQL01 through MYSQL06 should be completed well within the next 90 days.

With that said..... :QTcool:

FutureQuest is excited to announce that MySQL access is now included with all new and existing Pioneer Packages without risking the degradation of service and without extra cost to you! Now anyone with a Pioneer, Prospector, Trailblazer, Voyager, Odyssey or above may enjoy the power of MySQL especially when coupled with FutureQuest's exclusive Secure_Mode attached to PHP.

To activate MySQL on a Pioneer (or larger) package:
http://www.FutureQuest.net/mysql.php

To order a new Pioneer package:
http://www.FutureQuest.net/Order/virtual1.php?package=1

To upgrade or downgrade your current package:
http://service.FutureQuest.net/index.php?_a=knowledgebase&_j=questiondetails&_i=390

The MySQL database server is the world's most popular open source database. With more than five million active installations, MySQL has quickly become the core of many high-volume, business-critical applications as well as small personal web site applications such as message forums, image galleries, shopping carts and more and it now comes included with the Pioneer Package at no extra charge!

:QTthumb: THANK YOU for sharing FutureQuest's vision and dedication to quality!

[cindik]

Did you ever know that you're my hero?

[farlane]

Wow. Amazing. Thanks.

One question ... how do you make money providing such robust service for such reasonable rates??

Wait, let me guess: quality people, hardware, software and business procedures.

[hobbes]

Yippee!!!

-- let the downgrading begin %) --

[Randall]

Whoa.

So after years of ignoring all the MySQL stuff because I couldn't justify a bigger package just for a database, now I have to think of use for it. %)

Can an IRM be converted to an IRO without any interruption of service? (Mostly I'm concerned with email to myirm.com.)

Randall

[Deb]

Did you ever know that you're my hero? I'm going to have that song stuck in my head all day now. Thanks a lot! :P Can an IRM be converted to an IRO without any interruption of service? (Mostly I'm concerned with email to myirm.com.) I cannot say there would not be ANY interruption in service however the interruption is extremely brief providing the IRO is being setup on the same full package as it was when it was an IRM, since there will be no change in the IP address.

Deb
- Easy on the downgrades now %)

[phppete]

This is great for those of us wanting to start up smaller sites that can't justify the $29.99.

Are we allowed to downgrade? It feels like asking to downgrade is like kicking you in the teeth for being a good host and offering better packages :(. I assume you must be aware that many might downgrade?

Can I/we please have a formal statement about downgrading to Pioneer from Prospector.

I would also like to take this opportunity to thank you for your excellent service and the MySQL 4 upgrade on these new MySQL servers.

I look forward to continually promoting your services to my clients and this new change with Pioneer is a very positive step that is much appreciated.

Pete

[Deb]

<struggling to type the words....grinding teeth together.....she pushes herself to type the following>

You are absolutely able to downgrade to take advantage of the lower costs and yes...we are absolutely aware that a large number of Site Owners will do so....

Reference: http://service.futurequest.net/index.php?_a=knowledgebase&_j=questiondetails&_i=390

FutureQuest has never charged extra or penalized a wish to downgrade (or upgrade) a package :hehe:

Enjoy :)

Deb
- See...that wasn't so hard :P

[phppete]

I feel too guilty to downgrade now! :)

[phppete]

Can I assume all new accounts with MySQL created from today will be hosted on MySQL4 servers? Just want to make sure I can now safely develop all new client sites with MySQL in mind.

Apart from INNODB tables being disabled, is there anything else that isn't available in MySQL 4 on FQ?

[MPaul]

WOOOOOO-HOOOOOO!

Finally, I can have MySQL for my site. I love FQ! Thanks a lot!!!

[Arthur]

Can I assume all new accounts with MySQL created from today will be hosted on MySQL4 servers? Just want to make sure I can now safely develop all new client sites with MySQL in mind. That's correct. All new MySQL activations, including those for Pioneer packages, are set up on the new MySQL 4 servers.
Apart from INNODB tables being disabled, is there anything else that isn't available in MySQL 4 on FQ? It's a standard MYSQL 4 setup, INNODB is not available, but no other MySQL 4 options have been disabled.

Arthur

[phppete]

Thanks Arthur!

[LightGuide]

Originally posted by phppete:
I feel too guilty to downgrade now! :)
Lol.. yeah, I had to downgrade a couple of sites, and even junk one, recently -- I truly felt badly about it!

Everyone's aware of my genuine admiration of FutureQuest as a model for true technical excellence -- and this blockbuster addition to the MySQL facility is still further evidence of it.

But I equally admire FQ for the way they operate as a business.

They unfailing do what's right, do it extraordinarily well, and -- do it with a smile. The result is unparalleled client loyalty and an astronomically high level of customer satisfaction.

This latest change just raises that bar even higher, with still more value for price... and my bet is, many of the people who downgrade will simply use the saved money to open still more sites on FutureQuest.

[Evoir]

wow. wow. Thank you! Futurequest rocks!

[phppete]

Originally posted by LightGuide:
This latest change just raises that bar even higher, with still more value for price... and my bet is, many of the people who downgrade will simply use the saved money to open still more sites on FutureQuest..

I actually host a tiny site for my father on my domain in a separate directory, it gets very few hits but now with Pioneer I'll move him over to his own package.

I have decided to keep my own package as it is because I do have plans for loading it with content and being in the UK the dollar is weak so I am already paying a good bit less than I was this time last year.

I have never been one to be a 'poster boy' for any company and I have no time for these people who sing the praises of a company just because they think its 'cool' or want to belong somewhere. Lots of online forums are full of little sheep getting sucked in by products and brands, which in reality offer nothing of value.

FQ really is different, the support is beyond what any other host offer, FQ Secure Mode is unique and can't be found elsewhere, if you add in the customer service, honesty and care to not overload servers, FQ is truly a remarkable company.

[phppete]

Arthur,

What version of MySQL is it?

MySQL4.1 allows Subselects where as MySQL4.0x doesn't. MySQL 4.0.2 allows updating of records in one table using the contents of records in another table, but this was introduced in 4.0.2 according to Paul DuBois.

Book Recommendation for those wanting to know whats new in MySQL4 - MySQL by Paul DuBois - *Second Edition* (purple cover), probably the best MySQL reference book available.

Pete

[Kevin]

Originally posted by phppete:
Arthur,

What version of MySQL is it?

MySQL4.1 allows Subselects where as MySQL4.0x doesn't. MySQL 4.0.2 allows updating of records in one table using the contents of records in another table, but this was introduced in 4.0.2 according to Paul DuBois.

It is MySQL 4.0.18.

--
Kevin

[phppete]

Thanks Kevin, that is quite useful as my clients on CPanel hosts use the same version so that makes life simpler.

[Randall]

I just opened two new packages -- I'm multiplicitous now :hehe: -- and I'm not looking at an actual downgrade, so no guilt for me this trip.

Randall

[Syneryder]

Wow, that is so, so, sooooooooo very cool! Thanks FQ! I think I've been on this same package for 5 years now, maybe more... looking longingly at MySQL but never being able to justify the upgrade to myself... but now MySQL has come to my package instead! That's so incredibly cool.

I have some ideas on how I want to make use of the MySQL... okay, I've had these ideas for a year or more :) Probably still gonna take me some weeks of planning but yay, maybe now it's more than just a dream!!

[Bantik]

This is great news. I can't think of any other instance in my 11 years of working with hosting providers where this sort of account upgrade has been offered without an accompanying price tweak.

I don't know what the business thinking behind this is, but I can tell you that as a customer, it's exactly this sort of thing that keeps me recommending FutureQuest to my friends and clients. Oh, maybe I just answered my own question...

[MPaul]

That's correct. All new MySQL activations, including those for Pioneer packages, are set up on the new MySQL 4 servers. I activated the MySQL on my account account right after reading this thread (yes I couldn't wait, I felt like a kid opening presents on Xmas morning...no time to wait, rip everything open real quick), but the MySQL version written in the CNC is 3.23.58. I'm guessing this is something that will be updated since the phpMyAdmin installation says 4.0.18.

I also just converted my forum from DBM to MySQL, and boy, things are quick, and it's taking almost no space compared to what flat files took.

Today was a great day, thanks again FQ.

It feels like asking to downgrade is like kicking you in the teeth for being a good host and offering better packages I think that in the long run it's not going to be bad for FQ, because maybe the amount of money lost from users downgrading will be less than the amount of money FQ might have lost from potential clients who were turned off by the fact that MySQL was only available on the more expensive Prospector package

[gtc]

For a small hobby site (with great email service, reliability, etc.) I couldn't justify the price of other packages. I always wanted to experiment with MySQL and now... here it is!

Thank you FQ!! Hard work, quality, fair prices, & loyal customers. A rare find these days!

Geoff

[Bob]

Originally posted by MPaul:
I activated the MySQL on my account account right after reading this thread (yes I couldn't wait, I felt like a kid opening presents on Xmas morning...no time to wait, rip everything open real quick), but the MySQL version written in the CNC is 3.23.58. I'm guessing this is something that will be updated since the phpMyAdmin installation says 4.0.18. Ummm one of those switches that didn't get thrown quite yet... I bet an Elf will take care of it in short order ;)

-Bob

[DogAndPony]

Reverting momentarily to my former Texas vernacular, I feel compelled to say... *ahem*...

Yeeee-HAWWWWWWWW!!

Thanks as always, you wonderful wizards behind the curtain!

And now for a question: I take it resellers must still maintain a Prospector account or above as their primary, si? (I won't be able to downgrade all my accounts past that level anyway, but I'm just checking...)

Thanks again!!

...Bob

Bob West

[Bob]

Originally posted by DogAndPony:
And now for a question: I take it resellers must still maintain a Prospector account or above as their primary, si? (I won't be able to downgrade all my accounts past that level anyway, but I'm just checking...)

Thanks again!!

...Bob

Bob West That is correct... The Qualifying Package to maintain Resellers Status has not changed and still Requires a Prospector or Higher Annually Pre-paid package...

-Bob

- The Other Bob 8} -

[Rplantz]

One quick question, will the IRO follow the site when it is downgraded or will we have to set it up again???

[Bob]

Originally posted by Rplantz:
One quick question, will the IRO follow the site when it is downgraded or will we have to set it up again??? Hi Rich,

When upgrading or downgrading, if from a Full package to a Full package, the process is simply an administrative one and no files are touched and any IRs would remain active with the account.

Hope this helps,
Bob

- Still the Other Bob 8} -

[Rplantz]

Thanks for the info...

[Arthur]

I activated the MySQL on my account account right after reading this thread (yes I couldn't wait, I felt like a kid opening presents on Xmas morning...no time to wait, rip everything open real quick), but the MySQL version written in the CNC is 3.23.58. I'm guessing this is something that will be updated since the phpMyAdmin installation says 4.0.18. There was still some legacy code which was not displaying the correct information. Your CNC should now be showing the correct MySQL version.

Arthur

[Chipmunk]

Thanks FQ!

Like others, my first thought was:
Kewwwwl I've got some small scale non-commercial things I've wanted to do in PHP + MySQL, but couldn't justify the expense (had been thinking about doing that stuff on one of those ubercheap/flakey hosts).

My second thought was a lot of Prospectors are going to ditch their packmule and join us Pioneers. Then my third thought was that one larger volunteer web database project I've committed to, but been slow to work on because it's currently hosted on an :( MS server, could now be prototyped on our current FQ Pioneer account, then moved to its own (new) FQ account.

Upshot: yeah, many will downgrade, but that should be counterbalanced by a lot of new accounts, combined with keeping a lot of existing customers who were outgrowing the old Pioneer and couldn't afford the next higher package. It's good to see one Site Owner (Randall) has already bought new accounts!

This is yet another thing that separates FQ from the rest: the guts to make an excellent business decision, that's good not just for us customers, but for the long-term stability of FQ! :)

One suggestion:
Hard drive space is cheap, and all that data will gradually push against the size limits of the Pioneer package. In most cases, we won't need the banwidth associated with Prospector, just more space. How about dropping (halfing?) the price of extra hard drive space? That's not urgent, just something to think about.

One question:
Using Marv's :) unwrapping presents analogy, I suspect a lot of us want to switch this on, right now. Is there any downside to this? I really don't expect to do anything for at least a month, but the Big Shiny Thing beckons to me, and probably many others. Will we be overburdening the FQ Elf, or is this a fully automated, low impact thing?

P.S. Deb: the volunteer database is for migratory bird species sightings. If it works out well in Iowa, we'll offer the software free to every bird club on the planet. Figured you'd be pleased to know even more critters will make their homes on FQ. :)

[tigger]

Originally posted by Deb:
<struggling to type the words....grinding teeth together.....she pushes herself to type the following>

You are absolutely able to downgrade to take advantage of the lower costs and yes...we are absolutely aware that a large number of Site Owners will do so....



*laugh* It's so great to be doing business with a company that has owners/employees with such a good sense of humor.

I'm glad I can play with SQL now without upgrading. I use my site just to tinker around with and couldn't justify the higher cost. Now, on the other hand, hard disk space might do me in soon! Who would have thought posting all those vacation pictures to a gallery would add up so fast? :)

Brian

[phppete]

One concern I have with this is people chucking up MySQL sites without knowing enough to ensure they don't hammer the **** out of MySQL with bad coding and bad database design.

Maybe the Pioneer package should come with a free MySQL book :P

[Monty]

now that this has been rolled out, I can tell my tale. In mid November, I dropped off some Texas honeycomb limestone to Deb in Fl. While there, Terra opened the door to one of the rooms in their home, and Deb said, "guess what those are for?" The room was full of new computers. I hadn't a clue, and that's when I got the news the mysql was coming to the smaller package. Obviously, a *lot* of time and work went into this, as rollout then was expected to be in about 30 days. As everyone can see, it took much longer. My thanks to the team for the new toy. It was worth the wait.

[Deb]

One suggestion:
Hard drive space is cheap, and all that data will gradually push against the size limits of the Pioneer package. In most cases, we won't need the banwidth associated with Prospector, just more space. How about dropping (halfing?) the price of extra hard drive space? That's not urgent, just something to think about. Might do just that.... we shall see what the future brings (just remember that even though the harddrives come bigger...the backups don't come cheap) One question:
Using Marv's unwrapping presents analogy, I suspect a lot of us want to switch this on, right now. Is there any downside to this? I really don't expect to do anything for at least a month, but the Big Shiny Thing beckons to me, and probably many others. Will we be overburdening the FQ Elf, or is this a fully automated, low impact thing? Go for it. We oil our bots well. P.S. Deb: the volunteer database is for migratory bird species sightings. If it works out well in Iowa, we'll offer the software free to every bird club on the planet. Figured you'd be pleased to know even more critters will make their homes on FQ. Awesome! FWIW I love the frog monitoring project on http://www.FrogWatch.org possibly it'll give you further ideas for the bird one ;) Who would have thought posting all those vacation pictures to a gallery would add up so fast You should see what having 30 odd turtles will do to a Gallery's disk space requirements :P One concern I have with this is people chucking up MySQL sites without knowing enough to ensure they don't hammer the **** out of MySQL with bad coding and bad database design. This is *always* a risk regardless which package provides it and clients are *often* making errors that can bring a server to its knees. This is why we have 24/7 monitoring both automated and human so that these issues can be addressed as quickly as possible, more oft than not, prior to the rest of the clients noticing ;)

It's also why clients really shouldn't "play around" with MySQL but rather, be sure to have a bit of an understanding of what they are going to do and how it will work prior to actually doing it on the production server. Maybe the Pioneer package should come with a free MySQL book :P Sure... it's hosted at http://www.mysql.com/ :P :P :P now that this has been rolled out, I can tell my tale. In mid November, I dropped off some Texas honeycomb limestone to Deb in Fl. While there, Terra opened the door to one of the rooms in their home, and Deb said, "guess what those are for?" The room was full of new computers. I hadn't a clue, and that's when I got the news the mysql was coming to the smaller package. Obviously, a *lot* of time and work went into this, as rollout then was expected to be in about 30 days. As everyone can see, it took much longer. My thanks to the team for the new toy. It was worth the wait. Heh the Christmas present gone amuck :P Once it got to this point I thought about waiting for my birthday (July 20) and calling it Christmas in July but I was told that would be just plain mean :P

RE: Downgrads vs new orders -- Let's not forget our Visionarys that now have a much smaller leap with their upgrade path to achieve the "fun stuff" *hint*hint* :P

Deb
- Gleaming over the kind words...

[Kevin]

Originally posted by Monty:
now that this has been rolled out, I can tell my tale. In mid November, I dropped off some Texas honeycomb limestone to Deb in Fl. While there, Terra opened the door to one of the rooms in their home, and Deb said, "guess what those are for?" The room was full of new computers. I hadn't a clue, and that's when I got the news the mysql was coming to the smaller package. Obviously, a *lot* of time and work went into this, as rollout then was expected to be in about 30 days. As everyone can see, it took much longer. My thanks to the team for the new toy. It was worth the wait.
If you think that room was full you should have seen what my place looked like when Terra drove over and dumped all of those boxes in my apartment to set them up. :QTdive:
Computers take up even more space when they are in multiple individually boxed pieces.

--
Kevin

[hobbes]

you should have seen what my place looked like when Terra drove over and dumped all of those boxes in my apartment c'mon, admit it; you used them to up your SETI score (http://www.futurequest.net/Community/SETI/) :D

[Randall]

Heh the Christmas present gone amuck This would be the belated present in question? ;)

http://www.aota.net/forums/showthread.php?postid=101173#post101173

Randall

[Deb]

LOL.... yeah that's part of what Monty saw :hehe:

[Webmarm]

Wow.

Not that I have any urgency with MySQL, but I was always stuck on the fact that I only had access on my one Prospector account. And the Prospector account is really larger than I need now with the extra room, but I have to keep it Prospector for my reseller account. :P

Now only my Visionary accounts are without potential MySQL. Wow.


FutureQuest is the best, absolutely. I did try some cheapo/flakey hosts when I first started wanting to play with databases. Not one worked out. I *always* end up back at FQ, recommending FQ to friends, and completely content with the fact that I can concentrate on my business while my chosen hosting company concentrates on hosting my sites!

[mromero]

Most welcome upgrade Fquest. You guys always have something up your sleeves!

Now here is MY Christmas wish - FutureQuest True Blue Reseller Accounts.

What I am looking for is a Reseller account like those I see at Affordable Hosting where you get an account and you can then set up your clients' websites (or yours) yourself. For example you get 25 domains, 25 MySQL Databases, 500 POP EMail Accounts, pre-installed scripts such as Gallery, Open Realty, TikiWiki, OS COmmerce, PHP Ads New, etc.

This could be an interim step to FQuest eventually growing and offering dedicated servers for webmasters.

Best Regards

[hobbes]

What I am looking for is a Reseller account like those I see at Affordable Hosting where you get an account and you can then set up your clients' websites (or yours) yourself. For example you get 25 domains, 25 MySQL Databases, 500 POP EMail Accounts, pre-installed scripts such as Gallery, Open Realty, TikiWiki, OS COmmerce, PHP Ads New, etc. Apps can always be pre-installed in an account pretty easily. I'd however like to see some improvements to the reseller program such as: advanced notice of upgrades, better control of resold accounts, etc.

This could be an interim step to FQuest eventually growing and offering dedicated servers for webmasters. Already available. Email the service desk.
[edit: never mind, I think I misread your intention here; dedicated servers are available, just not specifically for webmasters. ]

[Deb]

Dedicated would certainly be the way to go for packages such as that. Allowing reseller's to "roll their own" within a shared environment is a sure way to turn services into sludge since we all should know by now the horrors of overselling their available resources.

We do have some dedicated servers up, however, they are not public offerings and do require the administrators to be able to install whatever they'd like on them. In these cases they are hosting several accounts on the one server but it's not quite like what you are wishing for. At this time, I think that type of a setup "Hosting in a Box" is a ways off...

Deb
- Ahhhh, you want us to host the competition :P

[phppete]

Dedicated would certainly be the way to go for packages such as that. Allowing reseller's to "roll their own" within a shared environment is a sure way to turn services into sludge since we all should know by now the horrors of overselling their available resources.

Deb - I am so pleased you said that!

mromero - without sounding rude you have no idea what a bad suggestion that is. Packages like that are offered everywhere for $25 a month but are also the reason for very poor reliability and service because everyone eats up too many resources.
I have been through at least 30 hosts that offer that, I was a reseller doing exactly what you are looking for and I had nothing but poor service and constant high server loads, sometimes hitting 144 believe it or not.

Filling an account with every pre-installed script you can lay your hands on is a sure fire way to ruin a shared server environment.

Maybe FQ should have doubled their prices yesterday to keep away the type of folks who want everything for nothing and then some... :P

If FQ ever get into this type of unlimited reseller accounts on shared servers I will remove all my sites within 1 hour including client sites I am involved in.

[cindik]

May want to "upgrade" the confirmation message:

Finally, note that you may only access your databases from domain.tld
and its IRO domains, if any. You may *not* access your database from
another domain or an IRM. Each domain that wishes to utilize MySQL
must have a Prospector, Trailblazer, Voyager, Odyssey or High Capacity
hosting package. Also keep in mind that should you choose to downgrade
your hosting package, you will lose access to the MySQL databases.

[Bob]

Originally posted by cindik:
May want to "upgrade" the confirmation message: Thanks for the Heads-up...

Activation Letter Updated :)

-Bob

- Like finding needles in a haystack %) -

[mromero]

Originally posted by Deb:

We do have some dedicated servers up, however, they are not public offerings and do require the administrators to be able to install whatever they'd like on them. In these cases they are hosting several accounts on the one server but it's not quite like what you are wishing for. At this time, I think that type of a setup "Hosting in a Box" is a ways off...
:P
Yes, I had inquired into your dedicated server packages but alas they are not true dedicated, at least by what I understand the term to mean. Your "dedicated server" packages are really restricted dedicated in that the webmaster is allowed to run only a single full package on it.

[Deb]

Your "dedicated server" packages are really restricted dedicated in that the webmaster is allowed to run only a single full package on it. I believe you are referring to the MQS (Managed QuestServers) which are setup just like the community servers with the exception that they are restricted to just the one primary web site with it's IRs etc...

We do also have some "true dedicateds" in production, and with these what goes on them is up to their owners as is how they are operated. However, a full public offering is not yet available.

Deb
- So many services so lil time...

[phppete]

...and with these what goes on them is up to their owners as is how they are operated.

So someone could host adult content, warez and hacking content on FQ network?... I would assume there are still rules, surely?

[mromero]

Originally posted by Deb:
I believe you are referring to the MQS (Managed QuestServers) which are setup just like the community servers with the exception that they are restricted to just the one primary web site with it's IRs etc...

We do also have some "true dedicateds" in production, and with these what goes on them is up to their owners as is how they are operated. However, a full public offering is not yet available.

O.K. We'll look into the economics when those are available. In the meantime thanks again for the MySQL upgrades. I've "rationalised" one of my accounts and used the savings to pay for my car's satellite radio annual subscription!

[Deb]

Originally posted by phppete:
So someone could host adult content, warez and hacking content on FQ network?... I would assume there are still rules, surely? Yes, there are restrictions that apply to the entire FutureQuest Network rather than on a per server/account basis. My response was in reference to mromero's requests making the assumption that it would be understood that illegal and pornographic content would be prohibited. You still would not be able to use any part of the FutureQuest Network for porn, malicious hacking, spam, or other illegal activities as explained in the Terms of Service.

Deb
- Some things apply to everything....

[mromero]

Originally posted by phppete:
So someone could host adult content, warez and hacking content on FQ network?... I would assume there are still rules, surely?

I think you should re-read the FutureQuest TOS. Surely common sense will tell you Terra and Deb would not condone stuff like this on their network.

[phppete]

I think you should re-read the FutureQuest TOS. Surely common sense will tell you Terra and Deb would not condone stuff like this on their premises.

It was a perfectly valid question, I know of at least 3 hosts who do not allow adult content on their community/shared servers but *do* allow it if you get a dedicated server from them.

The TOS of a host doesn't always cover dedicated servers, sometimes there is more freedom allowed. I personally am pleased FQ maintains its integrity.

I once hosted on a site that did allow adult content, the shared servers were mixed with adult and non adult content, one morning I found my site pointing to an adult site due to DNS error. When you have hosted with as many people as I have nothing surprises you.