Search engine services

[Jenn]

Ever wonder how to get on top of Google and stay there?

"Google Secrets Revealed" is a never before seen, comprehensive report exposing the exact steps (customized to YOUR individual site) of how to get on top, and stay on top of Google.

Please check out http://www.guaranteedtoprankings.com/SP.html for details on Do It Yourself SEO Tools you can purchase, or hire us to handle your SEO needs.

Jennifer Horowitz
COO
GuaranteedTopRankings.com
EcomBuffet.com

[dank]

is a never before seen
And for good reason, I imagine. :P

Dan

[Jenn]

The reason is it is new. :o) It's a step by step analysis of your site, as well as the others already listed in the top 10 under your keywords. It tells you what they did (in the way of optimizations) to get the high rankings and tells you step by step what you need to do to get the rankings.

Am I wrong in thinking that the point of these posts is to share info, help people or resolve problems, and in this case promote ourself to be contracted? I was under the impression that bashing people's posts for no good reason was not good ettiquette. If you have a valid critique of the report after purchasing it, I would consider that helpful to people, however saracsatic remarks based on no knowledge of the product or service is not helpful to people.

[dank]

saracsatic remarks based on no knowledge of the product or service
I've got plenty of knowledge of the general product and service, not yours specifically, and my above tongue-in-cheek comment perfectly summarizes what I think of it. But you did take the time to read and respond, which puts you a few steps above most people trying to hawk SE Optimizing services.

Dan

p.s. The only secret, in my opinion, is that there's no secret. It's all about common sense. That doesn't sell too well, though...

[Jenn]

If we could sell common sense, we would be rich! :)

I disagree, there are things you need to stay current on, such as changes in algorhythms and proper optimization. Most people don't know about link pooularity, keyword ratios, meta tags, alt tags, how not to spam etc. We sell the info that educates people on that, as well as services if they don't want to do it. I know there are a lot of scams out there, so I can understand where your tongue in cheek comment came from for sure. I also know there are legit businesses like us, that have proven results and deserve a chance. I could bash designers and programmers in many ways, but I don't. Some are good, some are bad. Some use WYSIWYG editors and claim they are fabulous designers, others steal site templates or graphics. Others are knowldegebale and talented, so I leave it to the people out there to do their homework and decide for themselves. :)

All I'm saying is give me a chance, don't discredit me before I even get going on here.

[Andilinks]

...as changes in algorhythms... like spelling?

If we keep Jennifer busy here at least she won't be spamming other forums.I leave it to the people out there to do their homework and decide for themselves. People who do their homework don't really need SEO "experts."

I find it curious that so many "SEO expert" sites (like Jennifer's) have a Google PageRank of zero, when my site had a PR3 in three months and PR5 in five months with no professional help and a minimal amount of "homework."

Google's algorithm is the best partly because it is so good at recognizing "experts" trying to game the system.

don't discredit me before I even get going on here. Trying to save you Jennifer, don't embark on a career that carries a taint of discredit from the start.

Andi

[Jenn]

I never proclaimed to be an expert in spelling, and thankfully I don't need to be!

We do not work on or promote our own site, which is why you'll notice no listings in the engines and a page rank of zero. We have other sites that we use for that purpose, not our main sites (our main sites are purposely not SEO friendly)

You are not tying me up here at all, and I was not spamming, I used a legitimate posting in a board made for promoting services.

My career is, and has been going very well, but I appreciate yoru concern.

I am not planning on spending much more time on here, I thought this message board would be used for legitimate discussions, and not just people bashing industries and companies for no reason that I can think of that has value.

Best of luck to you and your business. Congratulations on the page rank you acheived.

[hobbes]

Don't take offense Jenn. This is a tight knit community that, like most others on the Internet, has seen its share of spam dressed in the skin of a legitimate business. Skepticism can only be expected of someone with no post history in these forums advertising a service for an industry (SEO) that generates a fair share of spam. Speaking for myself, I would not contract out to anyone in this board who has no history with the community, as the whole point of looking to contract here would be the community reference.

[Jenn]

Hobbes, Thanks for the explanation. That makes sense. I just thought posting on here would be a way to create history and get things going. :) I don't even mind if it doesn't lead to business and I don't even object to differing opinions, I just feel like people should be careful in their criticisms and leave valid input for others to read, rather than their own commentary with nothing to support it. Anway, I don't want to perpetuate that type of postings, so I will stop now. I'm open to any other tips or suggestions on navigating this forum, I've never used it before and if it has potental to be interesting and informative, I'll stick around. Thanks again.

[hobbes]

Seeing you asked ;) ... one word of advice for most any forum -- lurk for a while before posting, and if you can reply to other's queries before soliciting (ok, guess that's two words). This has served me well since getting involved on the Net in the mid-80s. The Net after all isn't all that different from day-to-day life; think about someone showing up to a party, whom the other guests have not yet met, and trying to sell something.

-- and now back to our regularly scheduled programming --

[Jenn]

Thanks. I've never used discussion boards before, even though I've been doing business online forever. Others in our company do, I should have checked with them before I strayed out on my own! Thanks again.

[ubu]

Standing in the middle looking at both sides... ie I am open enough to see both points

On one side, Jenn only offered a service, no one twisted anyone's arm to force them to go to her site. Point to Mention, Jenn's main URL is rated a 5 out of 10 by Google's standards, 5 out of 10 ain't bad.

On the other side, I can relate to her being new, and a vistor, so I can understand the disbelief in her service.

Looking at both sides, it's ashame that Spam has caused us to react, with just cause, before we think. This is a prime example of how spam has hurt both an honest business trying to promote their site, and the users that are used to nothing by spam when it comes to an Ad like this.

Sad but true in this day and age....

Jamie
:(

[sheila]

Originally posted by ubu:
On the other side, I can relate to her being new, and a vistor, so I can understand the disbelief in her service. Actually, Jen is a long time FutureQuest Site Owner (would be measured in years...not days). She has simply not (yet?) filled out the request form for Site Owner status in the forums.

Pssst... to Jenn: http://www.FutureQuest.net/Community/SiteOwner/

[Andilinks]

Perhaps Jenn is guilty only of naiveté. Given the energy she expended pursuing this mode of marketing this appears a possibility.

If this is the case we are doing her a service in disabusing her quickly of this notion that she can market her service this way. I was being honest when I said:

Trying to save you Jennifer, don't embark on a career that carries a taint of discredit from the start.

There may be naive beginners who feel they can make an honest living advising people on how to optimize their chances with the Search Engines.

After observing SEO practitioners and other Internet Marketers for some time and operating my own website for 18 months I believe that SEO is not a particularly reputable field and gaming the system is their best offering. They advise others who want to game the system instead of building honest traffic to their website.

Now I do realize that competition in some quarters is so stiff that it is difficult to survive without gaming the system as well as your rivals do. The market adjusts to this and not gaming the system becomes a strong selling point.

There is so much good advice on SEO that is free for the asking on the web that I have no reservations about speaking my mind to someone who is naively spamming a forum in an effort to sell a service of dubious value.

Andi

[ubu]

There is so much good advice on SEO that is free for the asking on the web that I have no reservations about speaking my mind to someone who is naively spamming a forum in an effort to sell a service of dubious value.

While I agree with you 100% that there is a ton of Free information out on the web, I also believe that in some cases, it's better for some people to have someone else gather that free information into one nice place to read/study/use it. And for that time and research, it would be worth it for some people to pay for that free information. An example of this would be Linux, there are places you can get it for free, or you can buy it in a pretty box on a shelf for a small price. Are the businesses that sale Linux bad people? NO, they are suppling a demand, just like Jenn.

Everyone that has a website don't know where to find the information for free. Everything isn't always crystal clear to some people. I would not use Jenn's services as I don't think I need them, my parents however, if they wanted to promote their site, would need/use someone like Jenn. They are not as knowledgeable when is comes to the web.

I also don't think posting in the contract/contracted forum one message about her business that she wants to promote would be consider spamming..

Jamie

[dank]

Spam has caused us to react, with just cause, before we think.
Speak for yourself. ;)

I also don't think posting in the contract/contracted forum one message about her business that she wants to promote would be consider spamming..
It's the nature of the action, not the action itself. Many items pushed via spam would be perfectly legit when advertised via different means. It's all about how you present yourself... I'm inclined to agree with Andi. Never in the history of the internet has something like this been intentional. Always an honest mistake. People want to see how far they can push the envelope and then plead ignorance when it doesn't work. Maybe Jenn isn't in that boat, but anyone walking the plank has to be aware of what comes next...

Dan

[Andilinks]

I would not use Jenn's services as I don't think I need them, my parents however, if they wanted to promote their site, would need/use someone like Jenn. Yes, the elderly are a much better target market for SEO's. It makes me shudder Jamie...

Andi

[Jenn]

I am actually quite thrilled with the responses and thank you all. Yes, abusing me early was good. LOL I was annoyed at first, but I really have learned a lot and am the first to admit I am naive when it comes to these forums, so thank you all for the tips. Sheila, thanks for the tip, I had no idea about that.

As far as the other opinions, some are valid, some aren't and the fact is, they are only opinions, we can all share them and ultimately people decide for themselves what works for them.

[Andilinks]

I am pleased to have helped (if I did). But the word I used, "disabuse," really has nothing to do with abuse and I hope you don't feel abused.
dis·a·buse (d¹s”…-by›z“) tr.v. dis·a·bused, dis·a·bus·ing, dis·a·bus·es. To free from a falsehood or misconception. Andi

[Jenn]

Will you please stop catching my mistakes??? LOL I didn't read carefully, you caught me. Hmm, I guess I did feel a little abused to have thought that's what I read and written that. Must toughen up to survive on here! :P