Pine Support

[manish]

Now that we have IMAP support, has anybody gotten Pine to work? I just read on Slashdot that they have released a new version....
http://www.washington.edu/pine/

I tried a couple of times but it did not work....

Manish

[Randall]

Now that's something I haven't used in a long time. Back when I first got my Amiga on the net, Pine was the only mail program I had.

I've got it working with my account. Make sure you're configuring the IMAP path as {pop.yourdomain.com}INBOX, braces included.

Randall

# Pine Lives!

[manish]

Wow, another Pine user!! I still remember when pine was the only mail reader available on our unix servers in school. I still love it because you cannot infect me with viruses if I am using pine :)

Randall, that did not work. It is trying to read the remote configuration file and it fails. I tried the default remote_pinerc. I also used INBOX. It reads invalid entries and fails.

Manish

[sheila]

I hadn't said anything, yet, as I know that Pine will NOT work on the POP access accounts on the FutureQuest servers, so I was waiting to see if someone had gotten it to work with IMAP.

However, if you want to read mail on the server, it is possible to use Mutt. Mutt is installed on all the servers. Does require a bit of configuration, though.

Although Mutt is available on the servers for your use, it is not directly supported via the service desk.

To set up mutt for POP access, you will need to create the files $HOME/Mail/inbox and $HOME/.muttrc. The inbox file is a file where mutt stores the email messages, since your mail directory is not readable.

At a minimum, you will need to include the following information in the .muttrc file, one setting per line.

set pop_host="pop.domain.com"
set pop_user="username"
set spoolfile="~/Mail/inbox"

By default, mutt will leave messages on the mail server when retrieving mail from your POP account. If you want mutt to delete the messages from the mail server after it retrieves them, add the following line to your .muttrc file:

pop_delete

To setup IMAP, make sure you have the following in your ~/.muttrc:

set imap_user="username"
set spoolfile={pop.domain.com}INBOX
set folder={pop.domain.com}INBOX

For additional tips, see:

http://mutt.org/doc/manual/

Just figured this was as good a time as any to share this information.

[manish]

Sheila,
That will help me a lot. I'll take a look at it....

Also, does the username still follow the vmip-username format?

Thanks,
MT

-- I just realized that I am 22 posts away from custom avatar. I have to now begin my quest for a creepy red head avatar :)

[sheila]

Originally posted by manish:
Also, does the username still follow the vmip-username format?
Yes, for accounts on a shared IP address, you will still need to use the vmip-username to login.
I just realized that I am 22 posts away from custom avatar. I have to now begin my quest for a creepy red head avatar :) LOL! Does this mean we can expect a sudden burst in forum activity from you, as you approach the finish line? ;)

[manish]

Originally posted by sheila:

LOL! Does this mean we can expect a sudden burst in forum activity from you, as you approach the finish line? ;)
I sure do hope so ;)

21 more to go....

Manish

[manish]

Ok this is the last useless one. 20 to go!!!!

Manish

[Randall]

Originally posted by manish:
Wow, another Pine user!! I still remember when pine was the only mail reader available on our unix servers in school. I still love it because you cannot infect me with viruses if I am using pine :) I'd call myself a former Pine user -- it's been a few years. It does have certain advantages, but QuestMail covers most of them.

I think I'd have a hard time going back to text-mode email, although I'm surprised at how well this version handles HTML.
It is trying to read the remote configuration file and it fails. I tried the default remote_pinerc. I also used INBOX. It reads invalid entries and fails. OK, I've removed Pine* and started over so I can retrace my steps. If you haven't already given up on Pine and defected to Mutt, here's how to do it:
At the first dialog box where it asks for the personal config file, click on Use local configuration file. The default would be c:\pine\pinerc if that's where you unzipped it to. I also checked Use this as the default PC-Pine Configuration. I think this must be where you got stuck.
Say OK to creating a c:\mail directory.
Type E at the welcome message
I got an "incomplete mail domain 'randall'" message that I ignored for the moment
Now you'll be asked for the inbox path: {pop.youdomain.com}INBOX
Type Y to save that as the inbox-path
Log in, and you should be able to read your mail After that, I shut it down and edited the pinerc file to give it the proper return address info.

* Removing Pine was a pain in the butt. I don't like it when a program with no uninstaller creates half a dozen registry entries. Grrr.
I just realized that I am 22 posts away from custom avatar. I have to now begin my quest for a creepy red head avatar LOL! I'm just 46 messages away now myself. I'm already collecting some lion-related images in preparation -- I don't dare stray too far from my established image after the last time. <g>

Randall

[Gretchen Macdow]

I just set up mutt, although it turns out it won't help me delete selected messages off the pop server. I know I can do it via quest mail but my primary machine is slow for browsing.

Boy do I miss telnetting in and using PINE to get rid of junk. I can't use spam filters for fear of deleting customer mail by accident.

Anyway:

The mutt setup files should be relative to $HOME/accountUsername, at least that's how it worked for me. Also you have to use the G command to actually retrieve your mail from the pop server.

[JoeLeBlanc]

Hello,

I use pine when it supported POP3 and noticed you had to close out pine and reopen it again. Is this the case with the new version of pine witch uses IMAP?

Thanks

[sheila]

Originally posted by Gretchen Macdow:
I just set up mutt, although it turns out it won't help me delete selected messages off the pop server.
Try adding the following config option to your ~/.muttrc file:

set pop_delete


Hope this helps,

[Gretchen Macdow]

I think pop_delete just deletes everything you retrieved with mutt off the pop server.I want to delete selected messages off the pop server and leave the rest on the pop server to get with my pop client.

The real messages need to end up in the pop client on my local machine so I can manage and archive them.

[Gretchen Macdow]

Did I screw up registering? My messages all say "visitor" but I'm a card-carrying, bonafide member now. How do I fix it?

[Arthur]

Gretchen, just fill out this form (http://www.futurequest.net/Community/SiteOwner/) to request Site Owner status.

[sheila]

Oh Gretchen, sorry. I misunderstood that you wanted a selective delete. The option I suggested does delete everything, yes.

I'm afraid I'm not an experienced enough Mutt user to know about whether or how to do selective delete.

As to your other question:
http://www.FutureQuest.net/Community/SiteOwner/

:)

[sheila]

Gretchen,

I believe you can get the functionality that you want from mutt if you set it up to use IMAP instead of POP3.

I have just been testing it myself on one of my accounts. I was able to log in with IMAP, deleted selected messages only, and then log out from mutt. Then when I checked in QuestMail (http://QuestMail.FutureQuest.net), those messages which I had deleted in mutt, and only those messages, were gone in QuestMail also.

To configure mutt for IMAP, I would first remove the directories and files that you had set up for POP3 access in mutt and start over from scratch.

You will not need to create a directory for storing the mail if using mutt with IMAP. That is only needed for POP3 access, because mutt does not have permissions to actually read/write your real mail directory, and therefore creates a copy of all email in a "fake" mail spool under your HOME directory. That is why "deleting" an email in doesn't really remove it from your POP account, but only removes it from the "fake" mail directory you have set up for using mutt under your HOME directory. Of course, this means you are storing copies of some mail messages twice (at least temporarily).

With IMAP access you only need to set up the .muttrc file.

To set up mutt for IMAP access, do the following:

1. at the command line, enter the following command:

[username@FQ-Server:~ ]$ touch ~/.muttrc

2. Now edit the .muttrc file to contain the following information:

set imap_user="username"
set spoolfile={pop.example.com}Inbox
set folder={pop.example.com}Inbox


where "example.com" is replaced with your actual domain and extension, and "username" is replaced with your actual POP username for login to your POP mail account.

3. invoke mutt with the following command:

[username@FQ-Server:~ ]$ mutt

And you take it from there. Consult the mutt documentation for further assistance.

Good luck,

[Randall]

Originally posted by JoeLeBlanc:
I use pine when it supported POP3 and noticed you had to close out pine and reopen it again. Is this the case with the new version of pine witch uses IMAP? Joe, what do you mean about closing and reopening it?

Randall

[Randall]

Originally posted by Gretchen Macdow:
Boy do I miss telnetting in and using PINE to get rid of junk. I can't use spam filters for fear of deleting customer mail by accident. Nowadays I use a Windows program called Easy Notification to do that. Ostensibly it's a "you've got mail" indicator thingy, but you can also preview messages (plain text only) and delete them individually. I find it especially useful when a client's mailbox gets stuffed with a 30-meg email attachment and they can't download it.

The program can handle multiple accounts at once, which makes it a lot faster to work with than the telnet approach.

But I remember those days too.

Randall

[JoeLeBlanc]

Hello again,

Well, when you use the POP3 in pine it tells you that you have to exit the program and re-open it again. It even says that in the FAQ's at http://www.washington.edu/pine/faq/config.html#9.3

With Unix Pine, and with PC-Pine 4.00 and after, you can access a POP server in "online" mode. That is, Pine will start a POP3 session and keep it open until the mailbox is closed. Due to the nature of the POP3 protocol, Pine will not see any new mail which arrives during the POP3 session. Thus new mail only arrives upon starting a session.

Hope this help whoever uses POP3 in Pine.

[Randall]

Due to the nature of the POP3 protocol, Pine will not see any new mail which arrives during the POP3 session. OK, I see what you mean now. Anyway, I just tested it: You do not have to close/reopen the mailbox -- let alone Pine itself -- when using IMAP.

Randall