Too many tables?

[Paul]

Before I do anymore.. I notice when I pull up the page I am working on, there is a hesitation and then it seems to all load at once rather than loading progressively from the beginning. Actually I notice it on all of my pages but this one is worse. Time-wise to load, may or may not be any different than normal but if nothing else, it "seems" slower.

Am I embedding too many tables?..I mean there's not much on the page and it should load quick. I am probably doing something the hard way while trying to accomplish what you will see and if someone could take a look, it would be greatly appreciated.

www.auctionpatrol.com/fame.htm (http://www.auctionpatrol.com/fame.htm)

Thanks,
Paul[nbsp]

[Bi4Be]

I too wonder this with my pages. You should see my pages, I think I am addicted to tables... they are so wonderful and much better then frames. In fact, I think I get high using tables lol! :)

Sometimes my page, www.bid4beanies.com (http://www.bid4beanies.com) , comes out all weird with everything screwed up, then when I reload it shows up normal. This also happens to me with Network Polutions website every once in a blue moon.

I don't think that your page stalls or anything, and I wouldn't say that you have too many tables. What do you think about my website? Should I cut down or go cold turkey?

-Bi4Be

[Justin]

Tables - hehe:)

In a browser, it will not show anything inside a table until it comes accross the </table>. So if your whole site is wrapped inside a table, it won't show until it's fully loaded.

Notice that on this UBB, each post is now in a separate table instead of all being in one, so that it appears to load quicker - each reply pops up as soon as it's loaded:)

This can be to your advantage if you use banner ads - place a banner at the top of the page before the table, then the rest of the site is inside a table (only works right if the table is centered though). This way, while the rest of the site is still loading, the banner is proudly attracting attention :)

Just another lil trick of mine :)

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Justin Nelson
FutureQuest Support

[Charles Capps]

Paul: Yeah, Netscape has a hard time rendering large/multiple tables...[nbsp][nbsp] Just wait a few months for 5.0 to come out and fix that problem.[nbsp][nbsp];-D
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[Paul]

Thanks, all..

I had to cut back on the tables to get it to load like I'd like.. it was driving me CRAZY. It cost a little in the looks dept. though. (Oh well)

<EDIT> The above link no longer works but you are free to view my goofy 404 page :)<EDIT>

Thanks again
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Paul
[This message has been edited by Paul (edited 05-01-99)]

[SneakyDave]

An award (or is it death?) to Paul for the first 404 page that I've seen with music. :D

Sneaky

[pdstein]

As long as we're on the topic of nested tables...
- How far back have nested tables been supported?
- What Netscape and IE versions first suppored them?
- Does WebTV support them?

I'm curious because I've always wanted to use them, but I was concerned about the percentage of people who would visit with old browsers that would choke.[nbsp][nbsp](...thinking to myself... maybe I should stop catering to the lowest common denominator, check every visitor's browser, and tell those using browsers older than verion 3.0 to get with the program.)

- Paul

[Justin]

Nested tables (I believe) have always been supported, the problem is some browsers just choke with the extra overhead involved in figuring the position of each element of a table, especially when there are tables within tables...

But I personally design for the 4.x browsers with very little consideration to the older browsers and ESPECIALLY WebTV - this is probably why I am not a web designer hehe :)

I figure, if you are going to revert to old outdated technology, why do we even upgrade our browsers?[nbsp][nbsp]My sites use CSS, a little Javascript, and other simple stuff that older browsers don't support - I think they still show (just not as nice) in the older browsers, but I personally don't care if they do or not - if we make every site viewable on every browser, we lose style sheets, some JavaScript, and who knows what else... and unless your site is targeted specifically toward WebTV, I wouldn't worry about what it looks like there either.

Just MHO :)

Justin