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Joseph

06-25-2006, 05:21 AM

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I've been watching Opera for a while, but I haven't found it to really "fit" me as well as FireFox does. Though, I must say that lately FF has been on my nerves with it's horrible "crash and close all of your FF windows if you leave me open too long" attitude. On the other hand, it's been better since the last version. But that has nothing to do with Opera...

Anyway, I'll talk a look at this new version, but I'm pretty sure that FF and me will be stuck in this love/hate relationship for a while yet. :smile:

dank

06-25-2006, 12:28 PM

FF has been on my nerves with it's horrible "crash and close all of your FF windows if you leave me open too long" attitude.
It's not FireFox, it's Flash. 100% correlation, in my experience.

Dan

johnfl68

06-25-2006, 12:57 PM

I would have to agree with dank. I can run FireFox for days, but if I go to a site with a big flash file, or several small ones, then I have problems.

John

Andilinks

06-25-2006, 01:38 PM

It's not FireFox, it's Flash. I really, really dislike flash for several reasons but when so many sites use it the browser that can't handle it is the one with the deficiency.

I happen to use iRider to do the "heavy lifting" and have kept both FF and Opera open for specific other tasks so I haven't really noticed this thing with FF and flash. iRider does on rare occasions crash, but I almost always am opening multiple sites simultaneously so it's difficult to know which one crashed it. But since I surf a lot of fashion, music and artsy sites that way flash has just become another part of the landscape for better or worse...

I had been thinking about going from iRider to FF w/linky for opening multiple sites but I guess I'll reconsider that. It's very common for me to be opening dozens of untried links at one time, it's what I do...

Back on topic, I don't think Opera has a problem with flash, but I don't think it has a multiple opening feature either, I'll have to check into that.

Andi

Andilinks

06-25-2006, 01:50 PM

Oh, and while we're on the topic of Opera, I recently decided to buy the paid version, clicked on the appropriate button for that and was given a new download to install. It installed without my being asked to pay anything. I have been using the adless version for some time now and the new update is without ads, still never asked to pay. I found this peculiar at the time but didn't investigate further.

Maybe I should inquire at the Opera site, as much as I like getting free stuff I don't want to take advantage of a mistake...

Andi

johnfl68

06-25-2006, 02:24 PM

I could be wrong, but I thought that Opera was free now (because no one would pay for a browser when there are so many others for free)?

John

Andilinks

06-25-2006, 02:55 PM

Yes, I just joined the Opera Community and was told this when I posed my question...The ad banner was removed in September of 2005 with Opera 8.5, there is no longer a paid version of Opera.

EDIT: No, I didn't say that right. If you want to remove the ad banner from a version of Opera prior to 8.5 you will have to register and pay for it. All versions starting with Opera 8.5 are free without the ad banner.

I guess it's not true that NO ONE would pay, since I tried. But now it all seems to be coming back... I was fighting different battles (with Google) back in September and was no doubt distracted.

Andi

johnfl68

06-25-2006, 03:38 PM

Well - there is the P.T. Barnum saying :smile: - but I still respect you :yeah:

John
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There's a sucker born every minute
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"There's a sucker born every minute" is a phrase often credited to P.T. Barnum.

However, when Barnum's biographer tried to track down when Barnum had uttered this phrase, all of Barnum's friends and acquaintances told him it was out of character. Barnum's credo was more along the lines of "there's a customer born every minute" — he wanted to find ways to draw new customers in all the time because competition was fierce and people bored easily.

The entire quote is "There's a sucker born every minute...and two to take 'em." The source of the quote is most likely famous con-man Joseph ("Paper Collar" Joe) Bessimer. Barnum's fellow circus owner and arch-rival Adam Forepaugh attributed the quote to Barnum in a newspaper interview in an attempt to discredit him. However, Barnum never denied making the quote. It is said that he thanked Forepaugh for the free publicity he had given him.

Another story credits David Hannum with saying "there's a sucker born every minute", referring to people that were taken in by the Cardiff Giant Hoax. In turn, it was erroneously attributed to Barnum.

Myra

06-25-2006, 04:00 PM

Renders fonts the same as IE and FF and pops up thumbnails when you mouseover the tabs... I'll be looking for new features, very cool.

Andi

I dunno. Given that Opera is supposedly one of the standards compliant browsers, it kinda drives me crazy. I've had pages validate and display correctly in firefox/netscape and even IE - which aint compliant - then look goofy in opera.

Like I once had a menu that worked correctly everywhere but opera and after troubleshooting it seemed that it didn't like two of menu names (the two points of breakage) - both of which were acronyms. Now I realize that it's not possiblefor a browser to even distinguish a real word from an acronym so spare me the scorn and ridicule pls. There must be another pattern I didn't recognize. But the fact is that when I substituted any true word for the acronyms, it was fixed.

Plus pages look sort of puny to me on opera. Not just the text, which can be resized, but all graphics. It seems to makes a webpage look smaller and less impressive. Yes on the same monitor.

Myra

Myra

06-25-2006, 04:03 PM

It's not FireFox, it's Flash. 100% correlation, in my experience.

Dan

Hmm, interesting observation. Have anyone noticed any correlation between video, in my case with Quick Time, and FF crashes? I was watching lots of videos yesterday (from itube and some other sites) and had more trouble with FF crashes than I've ever had before.

Myra

Joseph

06-25-2006, 04:17 PM

Hmm, interesting observation. Have anyone noticed any correlation between video, in my case with Quick Time, and FF crashes? I was watching lots of videos yesterday (from itube and some other sites) and had more trouble with FF crashes than I've ever had before.

Myra

Assuming that you meant YouTube, that sites use Flash to play it vidoes, not Quicktime, etc. :confuz:

kitchin

06-25-2006, 04:29 PM

A new bug-fix version of Firefox is on the way. Tomorrow's nightly build (http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-mozilla1.8.0/) should be the release candidate for Firefox 1.5.0.5 if all goes well. I have no Flash crashes here, using WinXP and a recent nightly. What operating system are you folks on? I have a vague memory it's an issue on Linux and/or Mac.

Opera is good for a third look at designing browser-compatible sites, esp. if you don't have access to another operating system. And Firefox often tries to make itself work like IE even when IE has gone outside the standards.

Joseph

06-25-2006, 04:39 PM

Andilinks

06-25-2006, 04:50 PM

I dunno. Given that Opera is supposedly one of the standards compliant browsers, it kinda drives me crazy. My site has always looked different in Opera, but always usable and since their user base is so small "different" has always been good enough.

I did have a lot of problems with Milonic menus not working in Opera but that's been fixed for a couple of years. I'm certainly giving Opera another look and my recent habit has included keeping iRider, FF and Opera open simultaneously for different tasks.

There's a sucker born every minute...A sentiment that has been enhanced by the Internet. Actually I am highly cynical and skeptical of offers but even so I am often swindled by software vendors. I've paid for Windows XP three times.

In this case I just think I felt guilty over having used the free version so often. If I had sent them money I wouldn't have felt swindled.

Thanks for the history John. :)

Andi

Myra

06-25-2006, 04:54 PM

Assuming that you meant YouTube, that sites use Flash to play it vidoes, not Quicktime, etc. :confuz:

I actually meant ifilm but had youtube invade my head to confuse me. The result - a frankenstein kinda hybrid video site of my own creation.

Thanks for catching that Joseph.

Myra

Myra

06-25-2006, 05:00 PM

I'm using FF 1.5.0.4 on WinXP SP2. :dunno:

I'm using the same combo as Joseph to surf "itube." :wink:

Myra

Randall

06-25-2006, 08:25 PM

I have a vague memory it's an issue on Linux and/or Mac. I don't know about Flash crashing the browser -- I've had so few crashes since the Phoenix/Firebird days that I have trouble pinning down the causes -- but I do know that it's an enormous resource hog on the Mac.

No matter what platform you're on, every Firefox user should have the FlashBlock extension (http://flashblock.mozdev.org) installed, for peace of mind if nothing else. The only good recommendation I can make for Camino (a Mac-specific Mozilla browser) is that someone took the time to port FlashBlock over to it.

With FlashBlock running, my home machines -- Mac and PC -- can run for weeks without restarting the browser. (I've discovered that a Mac with 1GB of memory is virtually bullet-proof, BTW: Not only do I keep Firefox and Thunderbird running continuously, but I also tend to leave Photoshop open now ... all at once. Talk about living dangerously.)

Anyway, just to keep myself vaguely on topic, I finally solved my Opera CSS mystery (http://www.aota.net/forums/showthread.php?postid=149373#post149373). :winky:

When I saw that Opera 9 was out, I figured I'd better fix my issues with 8.5 before trying the new one, just in case it has new quirks...

Randall

dank

06-25-2006, 08:49 PM

With FlashBlock running, my home machines -- Mac and PC -- can run for weeks without restarting the browser.
Ditto.

Dan

sheila

06-26-2006, 09:49 PM

Back on topic, I don't think Opera has a problem with flash, but I don't think it has a multiple opening feature either, I'll have to check into that.
Yes, you can open multiple links with Opera.

Here's how:
Open the Panels and go to the Links view. Now select multiple links. Then right-click, select "Open in New Page". Voila...multiple pages just opened.

Andilinks

06-26-2006, 10:18 PM

Voila...multiple pages just opened.Thanks! :clapper:

Andilinks

06-28-2006, 12:58 AM

I, uh.. clapped too soon. With multiple links selected right clicking does not yield a menu that includes "Open in new Page."

Maybe I'm misinterpreting this: Open the Panels and go to the Links view.I clicked on the button marked "Panels" and then clicked on the button marked "links." This doesn't seem to do much but it's the only action that matches the instruction.
http://www.andifashion.com/10.gif

sheila

06-28-2006, 01:38 AM

Here's how I do it...

(1) With the Panel open and "Links" selected, I select the links in the panel list that I want to open:
http://thinkspot.net/photos/links.gif
On Windows, hold the Control (Ctrl) key while clicking to select links. On Mac I use the Apple key.

(2) Right click with these links selected to show the right-click context menu, and select "Open in New Page"
http://thinkspot.net/photos/right-click.gif

(3) Voila, look at all the tabs that just opened for me!
http://thinkspot.net/photos/newtabs.gif

Andilinks

06-28-2006, 02:53 AM

see the next post

Andilinks

06-28-2006, 03:00 AM

Or maybe I should just refer you to my earlier post, the context menu does NOT have an "Open in New Page" option. I do have multiple links selected in that graphic. Really I don't need it anyway...

sheila

06-28-2006, 03:08 AM

I saw your earlier post (that you edited/removed) ...
A couple of comments...
(1) I see that you've selected links in your graphic, but it looks to me like you're selecting them in the main browser window, not in the links-panel, which is separate.
(2) I think you said something like you're not getting a links panel like I showed...um...well, I admit, I don't have the default Opera look. I've customized it. You could certainly _have_ that if you want...and you could have "Open in New Page" in the right-click context menu if you want. Opera is extremely configurable.

Now, that said, I'm not sure based on your comments that you actually want to bother with it. But if you do...let me know...

Andilinks

06-28-2006, 06:01 AM

I'm not sure based on your comments that you actually want to bother with it. No, it's not going well. If I didn't have that functionality already working well in two other browsers it might be worth the struggle. But thanks for offering. :)

I may get around to exploring Opera's bells and whistles one of these days. After watching the Opera community topics for the last few days waiting might be a good idea, lots of talk about bugs. eeeewww

Andi